But I have good intentions. I just have my own beliefs and speak my mind.
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I think conflict is always certain in life. and that goes for here aswell. if it becomes so bad that it was changing what this site was all about , then it would probably be wise to do something. But I dont think we are close to that yet or even approaching it.
I dont see that from atheists.
regarding the tin foil hats , that is what is called psuedo science or science fiction and most atheist ive met would not entertain it and would lump that in with all other zeal.
Atheism is just the lack of belief in god(s).
People on this site belly ache about the medications. I know I do, but I know I have to take them. I think that is the case with most of the people who question the medās. The medications have a lot of side effects, and people have the right to ask about otherās experiences with them. I donāt think theyāre āanti-medicationā. I donāt know about the āsupernaturalā but I am kind of interested in alternative treatments for my mental illness. The best thing if this kind of stuff bugs you is to ignore it. Post all the rational, scientific posts you can and interact with people of like mind. (Not that I think all alternative treatments are irrational.)
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Iām not arguing that the site is unpopular or losing members. As for āthings canāt be that badā, itās bad enough. There has been a building trend, one that others besides myself have seen. If an open forum is what is desired, thatās fine. Iām sure there are enough people interested in such to fill the ranks. I just grow weary of fighting a battle that shouldnāt have to be fought.
Is this site supposed to be one of science and evidence? Is schizophrenia a medical illness? Is medication the best current treatment for serious mental illness? If these are true then why isnāt there a stronger support for these ideas on the forum?
Why must the few of us who speak out about such things fight a continual battle to represent these ideas on the forum? Iām sure Iām not the only one who feels tired of having to spar with the same members over the same topics day after day.
My main beef isnāt the unusual beliefs section, that can be a fine dumping ground. The real problem is when these posts creep into other threads. How many have we seen derailed by non-reality based beliefs or anti-med, anti-psych agendas?
Which types of posts should be encouraged and which should be discouraged? Thatās my question. If itās to be an open ground for all manner of beliefs then so be it. Just letās make a stand one way or another.
well that was completely uncalled for. whilst i agree with you somewhat malā, unfortunately not everybody is as ermā¦rational as you are right now. people have delusions and believe in them 100% and they want to be heard, hence the hijacking of unrelated threads. if someone believes in a delusion to that extent plus feels under threat from whichever powers they believe are behind that delusion they will seek support from this community in whatever section they can get it. whilst i advocate med use for most people, some people actually are not helped by whatever med they have tried. i am one of those people. i still take them religiously just in case i reap any benefit and am trying new meds all the time because i firmly believe that i need to eliminate them all before i can say that meds are or are not for me. some people canār handle the side effects and would rather be delusional than sleep 16 hours a day and weigh 200 pounds and we need i think, as a community to support those people however tenuous their grasp on reality.
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I understand the need for support for all. Thatās a good use of the Unusual Beliefs section, to discuss from a science based reality these delusional thoughts. The problem is the hijacking of good threads with agendas. Itās not really the truly delusional people. Some here have a very strong agenda that they push every chance they get. My concern is the anti-med, anti-psychiatry, and the pro-supernatural. Some guy thinking the CIA is after him or suffering some other delusion is another thing entirely. I guess my lumping the āpro-supernaturalā in with delusions has clouded my message.
First let me commend you. Itās rough finding meds that work. You deserve credit for trying.
Even if you were to say meds arenāt for you I wouldnāt have an issue. Itās people who preach that all meds are bad and for nobody that are the problem.
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There seems to be an influx of people growing to be a majority around here -
They are younger, more delusional, and anti - psychiatry, anti - medication.
I am honestly shying away from posting anything āsupportiveā or pro treatment, because I know it will get shot down instantly.
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I know what an atheist is.
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I donāt know if this makes sense or not but different people find peace in different things. Some believe in rationality others find peace in following a rule book (religious stuff)ā¦I personally believe that you should not stop medication at any point while fighting with the disease and along with that if praying to God or whatever omnipotent you are following brings comfort to you then there is no harm in it. Just learn how to distinguish between what is real and what is notā¦ As far as you are not imposing your thoughts on the other person and itās not against humanity, you should be allowed to practice whatever you want to.
Please donāt abandon your medications and seeing a doctor. A priest cannot do what a doctor can do. Prayers are only answered when you do your efforts from your endā¦In todayās world when medicines are available to help you, you shouldnāt ever think of quitting them. Having a belief system is someoneās private matter and no one should interfere in it.
i think its the pushing of agendas that seems to be getting out of hand. people should respect that this site is about science based and evidence based treatment.
theres a bajillion other sites that will cater to garble. I joined this site in the first place to learn to be more rational and grounded.
but looking back on my days when i was totally delusional i would argue anyone in person to the max and i just couldnt understand how they wouldnt believe what i thought was so true and real.
so maybe im just not used to seeing it. i have a bad habit of getting involved in unusual belief threads and end up in some sort of debate/argument. i should try not to do that so much.
cheers
I count myself as an atheist/agnostic atheist. I have no problem with people being religious as long as they donāt try forcing religion on me or start saying that religion is a cure for mental illness. The trouble is religious types who post here often go into fanatical mode and cause disruption.
I think we need to make a distinction between people who push an anti meds/meds are bad line, and those who whilst accepting meds work for some have decided to explore other avenues for themselves .
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I ām not sure if I understand well, but what is going here is ābullyingā. I hate it. Perhaps Daimon has relapsed and sure itās not the best tactic to attack to him, especially so many people. Itā s bad for his health among others.
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I think itās more a question of him being a prolific poster who craves debate than anything else. Heās not ant-med which is a focus of the thread. Heās not the only one who emphasizes spiritual issues or the supernatural. Heās just the only one to respond.
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I think someone mentioned him at the start of this topic. I donā think he craves debate, he just wants to defend himself. Moreover, I think all people with sz canāt easily accept our illness, and try to find ways to transform it into something else, less painful. Or people who appeal for these things must have relapsed.
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If I had to describe this site in one sentence, it would be, āthe inmates are running the asylum.ā Seems like itās getting harder to find inspiring, recovery related content. So much of what is posted is so unhelpful that Iām starting to dread coming here. There are a lot of users who are not only tragically ill and flopping around publicly in their delusions, but theyāre doing everything they can to drag the healthier users down to their level.
I really REALLY wish that the most prolifically unhelpful users ā eLunaseer, AbAt, etc. ā could be given a three month posting vacation (including IP block) to encourage them to go elsewhere. It would give those recovery centered posters ā who follow the advice of their physicians and who are looking to live in reality ā a respite from the flood of delusional bumpf they post. Because they post a frigginā crapload of it and itās overwhelming to us. Truly makes it unpleasant for me to come here.
My opinion.
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I think thereās a fine line between making this an inclusive forum that involves people at different levels of wellness and avoiding the kind of less than helpful environment that some posters can engender,
For me there is being delusional and there is trying to force your delusional ideas on others.
I think it has to to be remembered that some are more entrenched in their delusions and lacking in insight than others.
I sympathize with this, but I think their thread hijacking has to be minimized somehow. I would really like to advocate for short term posting bans for those who unremittingly spend all of their time trying to drag others down. And these people really can do damage (Iām referring to former user āSpiritual Emergencyā talking me into going off my meds some years back in particular). These people can be seductive and harmful.
Those of us who have spent enough time in psych wards know that even the nuttiest patients learned to regulate their behaviour somewhat after experiencing a flying tackle followed by an arse full of Haldol.
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