So I’ve got to say I’ve a bit of personal investment in this process as I’ve basically been doing it for 4-5 months now.
I got onto it through my psychiatrist who isn’t too bad and is still old enough to remember the institutions but young enough to know the atypicals and difference they’ve made.
So. I’ve lost weight. Like 22 kgs ( 48.4 lbs ) and going strong.
Anyways. The thing is you get your body into ketosis. Your body then burns the energy from fat rather than carbohydrates or sugar. I’m not so sure of the long term implications of that but honestly. I’ve done this weight loss in 5 months or so and still going down.
Basically you do less than 50 grams of carbs in a day. I don’t do sugar but you can load up some free carb trackers that break down your diet and you can dial them in by changing the volume. It’s not rocket science but it works for me because I can still eat the same thing over a day or so-. I basically make some good food and eat it…your not doing too badly and can still eat well.
Anyways. I’m interested in keeping this going as it really does make a difference and yes. I exercise heaps but weight loss was ok with lo fat/ lo sugar but really good gains was on this keto…
So. Your input if your on it is appreciated and even if your thinking of it let me know. I think there’s something to this sort of treatment and the newer research is showing it…I don’t have that information handy but seen a few things moving more to the metabolic problem of mental illness and specifically sz.
I don’t know. I’ve heard both good and bad things about it. It seems like a complicated process to get in the state of ketosis, balancing everything just right. I’ve also heard it can have some health risks long term.
That being said. I am probably moving slowly in that direction anyway, because of my diabetic restrictions steadily increasing.
I’m glad its working well for you, but frankly, I’m not sure its right for me, personally. So much conflicting information on it.
I tried keto, or the Atkins diet as it was called back then. Everything was fine while I was losing weight but once I reached a plateau I gave up. It’s quite a difficult diet to stick to just to remain the same weight.
I’ve been calorie counting for 2 years now, and still losing weight. I’m losing weight slowly (on purpose). I don’t feel hungry as my body seems to adjust whenever I adjust my calories to lose more weight. The key is losing weight slowly. (0.25kg a week is my target)
I think it’s a good diet for fast results. But not effective long term. It sort of shocks the body for a while but then it adjusts and you don’t lose as much. The negative issue that studies say about keto is that because it encourages eating fats, however healthy, long term it can really impact the cholesterol, LDL, triglycerides, etc. I do have friends who are solely keto and they love it though.
I personally really recommend the Mediterranean diet or way of living. It’s healthy and usable long term. I personally cannot be on keto as I’m type 1 diabetic. DKA is a constant problem.
I’m not discouraging you. You asked for opinions so I’m just giving my two cents. I’m absolutely proud of your progress, too. People usually try dieting but quit after a while so it’s hard to determine the efficacy of the diet. You’ve stuck with it and you should be proud of yourself for doing that.
i am still on keto too. i optimized it a little bit, take more care of macros (70% fat, 25% protein, 5% carbs, carbs max 15g per day). this is how the diet works for epilepsy, the ratio is 4:1. i think this might be important for the antipsychotic effect. to much protein is converted into sugar. i am eating much more seeds like linseeds chia and hemp seeds, olives, walnuts and avocado for fat and plant protein now. that should work. i lost 17kg
Your so lucky that’s losing weight way to go.
I have like 12-14 kg to lose to be a killer
It’s a fine needle to thread, for me.
Once the bould begins to move it may rock all the way to the end
It’s not that hard when you’ve some discipline but not sure of the sugar side of things. It can be detrimental I think on that front but not really up on the health. Any diet you should talk to your gp anyways just to make sure it’s suitable.
I’m not convinced it’s for everyone but there is increasing literature about the metabolic problems of mental illness. Still. I can say it works and it isn’t totally painful even though it’s hard to eat out over here. Still. It’s working so well mostly even though I’m trying to keep up that fibre which can be a pain!
Yeah. That is the trouble with dieting in any form. You need to adjust so your body gets used to it. I hit plateaus all the time but work through it. It’s fiddly but simple, free carb trackers help so you can see your macros. Tech is really so much more advanced these days and I’m not sure the Atkins was that refined.
Yeah it’s amazing how you lose. It really works for weight loss but you’ve got to tailor the process for individual for sure. I’ve been static with heaps of exercise for years. For weight loss it really does work for me.
It’s not luck. It’s bloody hard work and you’ve got to be dedicated to the process. It’s been like 5 months or so now and it really does things. Even the mental side is something that needs addressing. I’m older so less symptoms anyways but really does do things to the brain.
Yeah this is the thing. I think it does wonders for some but probably not for all so keeping it going over the long term is the issue.
It has its risks, it’s not for everybody. I don’t have kidney disease but I have kidney problems and it might not be good for me. Might not. I’m tempted to try it, I’m starting to get desperate to lose weight.
There really is some credibility with how the metabolism and diet really can affect outcomes with mental illness. My shrink is pretty good and respect them a lot. They got me onto this diet and it works but longer term mentally it works too.
I guess I could try going sub clinical as I’m down pretty much as low as I can go on my meds but I might try that on effexor. Meanwhile it’s nice to be down to a reasonable weight.
I think going from obese to normal in 5 months or so is pretty bloody good and I like to eat. Yeah you’ve got to be disciplined but you can still eat good things that are tasty and you can still keep it healthy.
I know Chris Palmer’s book is all the rage right now talking about Keto and treatment-resistant schizophrenia. Would you somehow say ALONE keto WITHOUT exercise could work on negative, disorganized and ipseity issues of deficit schizophrenia for instance.
He talks a lot about the hallucinations and voices but less so about the impact on anhedonia, Avolition, abulia, and the disorganized dimensions of schizotypal for example and schizoaffective
I do soft keto. It works well. I still allow myself some carbs sometimes but try and keep it a rarity.
I eat lots of protein. Eggs for breakfast and usually chicken for lunch.
Thanks, with deficit schizophrenia there’s almost no MDD it’s just severe backwardness, negative symptoms like emotional numbness Wondering if keto would work here
Yeah it’s pretty early really with all this keto stuff. I would say that I think exercise helps the process for sure so it helps maintain ketosis.
Only problem with the Palmer book is it’s all a little vague. Had this patient. They improved. Not sure of the stats of those who try it but I’m sure he and others are experimenting with it. It would be nice to see the stats for sure.
I would say though that I think there’s something about all this and sz. A few of the newer studies are about the metabolic problems of sz and related so I’d imagine our understanding will improve with more examination.
Keto doesn’t help sz and can’t replace meds, it also didn’t help my negative and cognitive symptoms but its good for weight loss if you reduce calories and good for diabetes, physical health. I do low fat low carb diet intermittent fasting 20/4, lost 43kg in a few months
