https://www.psychcongress.com/article/only-one-antipsychotic-linked-reduced-suicidal-outcomes
Clozapine was the only antipsychotic associated with a decreased risk of attempted or completed suicide in a study involving two nationwide cohorts of patients with schizophrenia. Researchers published the findings in Schizophrenia Bulletin online .
Prior knowledge of the realistic causes that lead to suicide’s attempts acts as anti actions and help to take precautions to make them fail
The observations
After a long time of infection with an incurable diseases,suffering from excruciating pain and disability,and with despondency of being cured, some patients try to killing oneself (suicide),but non of them targets the other people
On the contrary,in the case of sz,after a very short period of time has passed from the sz’s occurrence (hours,a day or more ) attempts of suicide ,death or target other begin
The attempts are very early from the beginning of sz and may target other people !
This is one of the difference characteristics of sz from other traditional incurable diseases,therefore the reasons for attempts must differ radically
Killing oneself
Sudden death
Targeting other
Within a very short period of time from the beginning of sz
This is a dengerous issue that affecting the live of people ,so lying about it is red line and fabrication a fake narrative plot is rejected
The question;
1-Why the actual reasons appear very shortly /strongly after the sz’s beginning ?
2-What are the actual cause that drive suicide ?
All current medication have power effect on the emotion and its own feelings or strange ,but they do not know anyway to effect the mind theater and the cognitive content of any thoughts treated mentally
The sz contain malignant feelings and thoughts in the same time
I thought people on Lithium had reduced suicide.
Sz doesnt per definition involve malignant feelings and thoughts!
I personally was overwhelmingly terrified and afraid and very much did not want to hurt others in psychosis. Sometimes psychotic people (me too) hurt others, but i suspect this is mostly from selfdefense, misunderstanding or fear. Not evil or malicious intent. I think this is true for many sz.
Antipsychotics rather consistently make me feel depressed and suicidal in regular doses. So i can imagine they dont prevent suicide. Never tried clozapine.
Above of all,there are different between 2 terms:
1- Determination what is the nature of sz nature in itself as it comes and felt by person with Sz
2- Definition the schizophrenia nature by personal linguistic expressions After you know its nature
I know the nature of sz nature,the ID of the pathogen,its functional characteristics, the nature of its effectiveness,the mechanisms of effect step by step ,the result of effect which represented in the things that you call it the symptoms of sz …etc so it is easy for me to tell what is the definition of the sz condition by my personal linguistic expression without single mistake ,so what i say is true and corresponding the actual realities of the sz condition
The question; Do you know the nature of the sz nature ?
You were said "sz does not definition involve malignant feeling and thoughts "
This statement is just personal impressions be said without realistic knowing the nature of the sz nature ,it is not a facts corresponding with what the person with sz feels/perceives and there is no scientific experiments to prove the credibility of the personal impressions .
So your statement is diagnostic question do not diagnosis the internal events,processes or any mechanism (it is personal impression no more )
From the other side,say what you want ,you cannot hurt me by the words , because i interested only with the realistic facts
Hey, i dont really understand what you are trying to say.
Im not hurting you with words, i just say i disagree. That is normal conversation. About content. Not against you. Dont see evil intent where there is none.
Also, indeed, how i experience my delusions and how others i spoke to or read research about experience their delusions or voices is personal and subjective. People i spoke to with sz in my experience werent in general more malignant than others. Sometimes even less so, f.e. when their thoughts were actually driven by empathy (e.g. worry about others going to hell). Also research shows that part of the people actually have kind voices. I do not claim to have knowledge of some universal truth though. Im human.
The same goes for you and your impression of what sz is though. You do not have objective knowledge of sz any more than others. I think you can not objectively say all other people with sz have malignant feelings.
Why do you feel sz people are malignant or have such thoughts and feelings? Would you care to explain?
Perhaps i also misunderstand the word malignant. What are you trying to say with it?
And nope, i dont know the nature of sz. Nobody does. There are theories, but no real knowledge. Imho.
We can divided the dangerous into 3 sections;
1-Unintended death by accident
Lack of caution that avoids dangerous factors that occur in the outside world-such as crossing the street and not paying attention to cars on both side,or drive a care …etc
2-Exposure to biological death / closing from the brink of death,if the person is left in his internal struggles for a long period of time without medical intervention or family care
(Loss of energy,inability to compensate by eating /drink and losing the ability to sleep for several days without anyone asking about him )
3-Intended personal error (responding to Malicious urges in the content of mental /emotional deceptions that pathogen creates in the thoughts /feelings of the person towards himself or other individuals in the society
The defect that the pathogen ( hallucination ) creates in the attention level is the source that constitutes the permanent danger to the person’s life in item 1,2
While the malignant change that is introduces by the pathogen in the concept of thoughts /feelings that are handled by a person’s mind ,they are a danger to the personal behavioral responses outputs towards oneself or others in item 3
In order to be objective and debatable,you should not show the contradiction in what you say
You said " I do not understand what you are trying to say "
And said " I just say I disagree "
In the case that you know the nature of the sz,you can agree or disagree with any words written or said about this nature
But as you were said, “I do not know the nature of sz”
Where from you know what is real or unreal related the Sz ?
Are we supposed to write words about the nature of sz in order to beg your praise ?
Or,write a fictional plot that is consistent with random definitions you gathered from the media ? specially you said " there are theories,but no real knowledge " !!
The manifestation of malice in the bilateral dialogue with other, is if you show your self to the other, you does not understand the speaker’s words,then it becomes clear later that you understand the speaker’s words well !
Hey,
First my response to the first message. My intent btw is not to hurt you, but to discuss our views kindly to broaden both our views.
Perhaps we mean the same, but just have a different idea of what malignancy or malice is!
Lets take the most extreme example of death.
1.Unintentional death by accident
Example: I fall to death, because i didnt understand i cant fly. I am hit by a car because i walked on the road. Dangerous but not malicious. I think we agree.
2.Biological death
Example: i fail to eat and drink, thus i die.
Dangerous, not malicious. I think we agree.
3.What you call malice, imho can be split in 2:
3a. Violence to self or others from psychosis.
Example: I kill the neighbour because i hear a voice that says they only go to heaven if i kill them (intent: benevolent, helping them).
Example: I kill the neighbour because i falsely believe they came in to kill me right now (intent: self-defence).
I think we agree this CAN be a risk with sz and horribly dangerous. I wouldnt label it as malicious though, because the intent is really not evil at all. Just thorougly misguided benevolence or self-defence.
3b. Violence to self or others from malice
Example: I kill the neighbour because i enjoy it, their pain and fear gives me pleasure (sadism).
Example: I kill the neighbour because i want their money. I know full well it is wrong and harms them, i just dont care (psychopathy, sociopathy, lack of conscience).
THIS 3b to me is malignant, malicious.
CONCLUSION:
I agree 1, 2 and 3a can be part of sz and horrible.
But first: I do not think all sz people have these dangers. Someone can also just believe they are jesus and need to hand out purple flyers to everyone to believe in them. Many many sz arent dangerous or violent at all.
Second, i do not see these as malignant or malicious. To me 3b is true malignancy and this i feel isnt part of sz at all. It’s a radically different disorder.
I do not mean to attack you, just to explain what i mean when i say: sz people arent malignant.
What do you think?
And to the second message:
I think you misunderstand me.
1.Im not malicious. I try to talk to you. I admit that im not sure if i understand you (intent: honesty, openness to correction), but i still try my best to answer you. That isnt malice. I do not mean for you to be hurt or beg my praise. I want to exchange ideas, kindly debate. On content.
2.I say i disagree with the idea sz people always have malignant or malicious thoughts/feelings. This is my perception. I explained it above. It isnt based in fictional plots or media, but in my own experience with myself, the world and people.
3.I say i do not understand. Even the best scientists admit they dont truly understand sz. I am not God and neither are you. Thus we only have flawed perceptions, not objective truth. I still share my imperfect opinion and ask about your similarly imperfect opinion. That’s what humans do. Maybe i learn from you and you from me. This is what i mean. 
Maybe by “malignant” they mean “bad” or “harmful”, as in how a tumor can be malignant.
Yes i think so! This is why i said im not sure i understand the term right…and wanted to explain what i meant. Sometimes i struggle to express myself.
English isnt my native language. “Malignant feelings” or “malicious urges” or “manifestation of malice” as they say, in my dictionary is translated somewhat like “evil in nature” or “with evil intent”. Which is why i felt this isnt what i or sz people are.
But i can see how you mean it, thanks.
so antisycotic makes people more suicidal!i thought they calm schescphrenicc and they get rid of fear.
Not everyone…they also can calm and numb fear. They can also make you depressed and anhedonic and thus suicidal though. Especially when overmedicated. Both are possible. Even at the same time.
interesting.how you doing on medication.do you take anything or are u ok without medication.