I think there is intelligence re taking tests and intelligence as used in real life situations. Some might call it theoretical intelligence vs practical intelligence.
I don’t have a sz dx(it’s an ex dx) but I do know from what you have posted that we both have difficulty with applying our intelligence to real life situations.
I suspect this may be true for people with psychosis/schizophrenia in general.
I have stopped attending face-to-face meetings of SZs for the most part. That is because the cognitive damage taken by so many is so blatantly obvious. There is no way in hell we have higher IQs than the general population. I know I’ve personally taken a hit as well.
It doesn’t always matter how smart you are if you can’t function well in society. If they created a social IQ a lot of people we consider to be bright would fail. Sadly functioning in society lowers the bar for a lot of people because society as a whole can do a lot of dumb things. If your leader is a Hitler, or a Pol Pot a person with a high social IQ would have done what they are told and commit mass murder. They would have done it to keep from being targeted themselves and survive although history would not consider them to be too bright. Or maybe a person with a high social IQ would vote for a bad candidate because that’s all his party has to offer so no one who they care about will be offended by her, or him. Intelligence is relative.
Whilst that is collectively true I do think there is a subgroup of people with schizophrenia who have above average intelligence. That is no doubt swamped though by those with below average intelligence.
I’m 158 and in mensa and also have chronic schizophrenia. My father had an IQ of 161, was also in mensa, and had bipolar. My uncle had an IQ of 164 and wrote for Mensa Magazine and had severe depression. All the smartest people I’ve known have had chronic mental illness. So that’s something.
Wow. That’s awfully close to Einstein’s. Wasn’t he likec180+?
He was 170, i believe. But I’ve heard different things. I’m an aspiring physicist, myself. But alas, who goes outside?
No Schizophrenics don’t have great iq, our parts of brain are simply non functional so no question of higher iq.
And yes when we have few parts of brain working and other parts of brain not working those few parts of brain work harder and become better than others but they lack support from other parts of brain.
So our initial non working parts of brain remain non functional but the other parts of brain are struggling and becoming better…
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Here is an interesting article about what IQ tests actually test.
I doubt iq has anything to do with it
Cognitive impairment is a domain of symptoms in sz. Sz is associated with cognitive decline which should impair the IQ test performance.
It depends on the individual as well. There will be – as @firemonkey pointed out – smaller subsets within larger groups that function at an advanced level even when the group as a whole does not.
Yes ,very true and a problem I definitely have. If there was a social(interaction) IQ I’d probably score in the mid 80s or lower.
Of course if you have an aptitude at something that allows you to perform at a job where social intelligence is not that important, then it is not so much of a problem.
That was interesting as you say. I think defining "intelligence"is difficult. IQ has become the standard clichéd measure of intelligence. Some question it’s validity as a tool for measuring intelligence. For example http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9755929/IQ-tests-do-not-reflect-intelligence.html .
It is an especially poor measurer of intelligence for those of us with (very) uneven cognitive profiles. For example verbally I probably outperform quite a few Mensa members, but visual spatially would lag behind ,often by a considerable margin, practically all who post here.
Then, as previously said, there is theoretical ‘intelligence’ as measured by skill at IQ tests, where performance can be improved to some extent by practice, and the practical application of ‘intelligence’ to real life problems and situations.
One doesn’t necessarily follow from the other.
Some bat .305 in the practice pen(IQ tests) but only .265 when they play in actual games(real life problems).
I had trouble reading this so I just skipped. That’s my cognitive decline.
One of the higher scorers on IQ tests…said he just does them a lot thus his stupid high score…I don’t know what test it is but it takes into account languages fluent in and mostly math…so a lot of people scoring high on an IQ test might do very poorly on this international smarts test due to speaking only one language…its just a kind of gimmick…I wouldn’t worry about IQ scores and such…
I’m intelligent enough not to be stupid but stupid enough not to be that intelligent.
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