Doing the rounds , schizophrenia linked to low iq

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Ok this is not going to be popular and not very possitive but it has being making the news this week.

My opinion is if its accurate then people should not be afraid of anything that has a scientific basis. I have long read about the low iq link to schiz and in defence of people with schiz i do think intelligence can manifests itself differently in people with schiz.

Anyway from me personally if you met me you would think i was smart , i got a decent college degree but when i first did an iq test i scored just under 80. That was when i was about 15.

Here is the article

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Iā€™ve known szā€™s with high IQā€™s before. You canā€™t say weā€™re all dumb. Just from personal experience, I tend to doubt those findings.

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This line of research has been around for many years - basically the factors that increase your risk for schizophrenia seem also to increase risk of lower IQ.

This doesnā€™t sense mean that any specific person who has schizophrenia is Low IQ - there are many examples of very smart people who develop schizophrenia (e.g. John Nash the Nobel Price winner in Math, Albert Einsteinā€™s son, and many moreā€¦ so donā€™t get hung up on this research.

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Itā€™s not saying intelligent people canā€™t have schizophrenia just that they are less likely to have it.

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But we have a higher creativity rate! And yeah I agree with crimby too. I know a few people who struggle with schizophrenia and they are intelligent. One told me they have an IQ of 108. Which is above the American average.

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Also - this was discussed here, in another post, in mid-December:

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I canā€™t agree with that. Speaking for myself I had so many achievements in life before my onset which I can attribute most of them to my intelligence. I became a manager at a very young age because of my performance. I was doing very well at college and in school and have been recommended by high ranked executives I worked with in my region for my strategic thinking and ability to perform very well with numbers and under pressure. I have had the opportunity to express my intelligence and got credited for that. At the contrary I think being smart and ambitious were reasons behind my onset. If you would like to read these recommendations please text me I will send you to my linkedin page and you can see for yourself. And by the way. Some of these recommendations were given to me after I had the diagnosis. I donā€™t think it would make sense to believe every research made that are not based on scientific and medical evidence. If the research is positive let it be circulated, other wise let it not.

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ā€˜If the research is positive let it be circulated otherwise let it notā€™

That would not be my view , who would be the custodians of right and wrong. If something is accurate then let it be known. If it is not ; let it be debunked.

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I have talked about it one day over here that this forum needs more be positive to have a good impact on out lives instead of degrading the quality of our lives and how we perceive ourselves. Thanks for your comment. I need to focus on my qualities and how is it possible to thrive rather than be discouraged by such findings. More success stories more positive thinking better education and most important more engagement in the society. I donā€™t want to be custodian for the right and wrong I just want to be happy and motivated to live a quality life. You may be right but I may be happy.

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Yeah we have different views , philosophically speaking i understand where your coming from. There are different outlooks on life.

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Well my shrink says that the paranoid subtype is correlated with above average IQs. I myself am counter evidence, shitty research, sample size of one, but I for sure am not dumb. I mean seriously. When we took IQ tests on here, I scored in the superior range on one attempt.

But thatā€™s just me. This is very crap. I donā€™t like to see other people who have this just listening to a couple of studies. What is worse is that some research is crap, taken from samples that do not represent populations and have poor external validity, which means they donā€™t represent the whole population well. For example, studying only patients in a psych ward. Or prison. Or in halfway homes. The reverse can happen in that some studies have a ceiling effect, which means that the subjects are doing well and canā€™t really get that much better and also do not have external validity.

I mean Iā€™m not gonna brag or name names but someone very prominent in the field interviewed me today due to my high level of functioning. There are lots of people out there who do not get noticed who do very well.

I myself am a full time student and havenā€™t made a B on my transcript since I got on medication and began my major in psychology- I finished my first year as a neuroscience major unmediated and made a 3.5 that year. I was piss drunk every night. I only went to class two days a week. I was legally insane until February of that academic year.

Now I am an example of living well with schizophrenia.

The volume of research is gross. Too many people publishing crap trying to keep their heads above water. What is also a confound is expectancy effects- this is when experimenters are trying their best to prove their alternate hypothesis and end up exaggerating resukts by clever means like choosing a certain way to recruit subjects that brings only a certain type of person into the experiment to begin with. For example, doing a study on alcohol use on a southern college campus. Or putting flyers in second rate psychiatrists offices- subjects would all be of lesser income and by that notion, lower functioning, and by that notion, probably not very intelligent. They wouldnā€™t say ā€œcheapest psychiatrist offices across the nationā€, they would say ā€œpsychiatrist offices in all fifty statesā€.

Research, in some cases, then needs a meta analysis, which basically means compiling studies to generalize the population well and have strong external validity.

Psych major in the house. Iā€™m going to design my own experiment for my degree and write a thesis on it, itā€™s a requirement for honors students.

Shhhhh

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One thing to remember is that in terms of intelligence people with sz etc who use a forum like this, and the internet in general, are generally more intelligent than those who canā€™t/donā€™t.
Also the research is saying high IQ lowers not eliminates the chance of developing szā€¦
In terms of intelligence in sz,or otherwise it is easy to see it as a whole rather than being made of various parts.Parts that may differ in actual intellectual performance even amongst sz with high intellect. For example there is a body of evidence that shows that sz tend to have a higher verbal than performance IQ.

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Yeah, but thatā€™s not a proud IQ.

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I always thought the opposite-higher IQ!:slight_smile:
I also think however-that it can vary-just like everyone elseā€¦

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Yeah Iā€™m only proud of people who have an IQ above 140. (Haha)

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I thought I have a low intelligent level,but my psychiatrist say that I am actually smartā€¦To be honest,I feel I have a average intelligent level,I do not feel especially smart or stupid.I am very intelligent during my secondary school years but I did not use it the right way,I was shrewdā€¦I prefer to put in more hardwork and be on a average intelligent level now,and thanks for this post,itā€™s interesting

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Highly intelligent people may be prone to SZ (more paranoid type) due to their tendency to over-analyse and over-think. My ex fell into that category - incredibly smart, always noticed patterns etc. I found it hard to disprove any of his theories since they were usually very well thought outā€¦

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I do not know what the truth is, maybe nobody knows, but I know that paranoia may cause behaviors that may not be rational, but this has nothing to do with IQ, once I took one emotional IQ test in America and I was above 98 % of the population, but again I do not know what the truth is here. My former US spouse got 76 %.

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It would be interesting to see IQ performance in the midst of a psychotic episode v when psychosis is under control .

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and Iā€™m a chiquita banana and I wanna go home!

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