What do we know about it?
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I donāt think there is any relation between high iq and schizophrenia. Seems like mostly wishful thinking to me.
Most schizophrenics have lower than average IQ as far as I know. There are high IQ schizohphrenics, but I donāt think there is any causality from sz. They exist in spite of it, not because of it.
Thats my understanding.
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Whatās high IQ? I got an IQ above 100. Maybe 110 max. Itās above average, but still struggle to work, go to school, hygiene, brush teeth, and shower every day. I donāt do it.
In fact, I lost most of my abilities, hence Iām on disability.
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Very well put!!!
Itās a deficit, but people are probably smart before schizophrenia, and it takes them down a notch or two.
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The stuff im reading right now says its so rare it should be its own subtype. It says 130 or higher is high iq.
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Iām curious. Is it a different beast entirely, lol?
Do they have different symptoms or criteria? Just wonderingā¦
Thats what one article suggests but they give no concrete examples
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I can only imagine the jedi mind tricks they play on their selvesā¦
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Thats hilarious
Yh but imagine the quantum mechanical fluctuations while analyzing your piss for nanotech
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People with SZ tend to have lower IQs so there should be fewer of us with high IQs than there are in the general population. Another thing is that delusions of grandeur are very common with SZ. A lot of the people who believe they have a high IQ obviously donāt, but good luck explaining that to them.
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I have a high IQ. When I first got diagnosed I felt utterly unable to function cognitively and people were telling me āno, you are passing our tests with flying colorsā while I felt cognitively impaired to a massive extent. It was a bit surreal. I donāt know however how my high IQ might affect my symptoms Iāll be honest, I donāt have anybody as reference but I do believe my IQ left me more wiggle room in order to appear normal in most situations.
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I think the meds and illness have caused me to become quite unfunctional. You see lack of thoughts and cognition and energy has pulled my IQ down.
But I really dont care because the meds have cured my psychosis.
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I think schizophrenia can come from high IQ/creative families, but it overall limits us on achieving more intelligence, or even being born with lower intelligence. My IQ is low, as is my creativity, but if you look at my family members, itās a different story. Both of my brothers are highly intelligent and my sister is highly creative. My dad was tested for his IQ back in the eighties and got a 160 in middle school. It sucks but it is what it is.
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I tried doing online IQ tests and scored between 90-130s depending on the test. I score about 110-120 on online Mensa and Raven Matrices now.
My doctor said my IQ is 110 and was 120 when she first met me based on my symptoms. My best friend thought I was 130 but he is way smarter than me of courseā¦
I wanted to get an IQ test done but didnāt want to fork the money over. It was $100 or more at the time. I thought they would be free lol or something. Sometimes, they denied me the ability to get tested. I have some college, so itās assumed Iām average or above average even. Iām not a genius, obviously. I lost a lot of functioning due to SZ/SZA.
I havenāt worked or gone to school in over 13 years. I can barely function like self care and hygiene and cooking.
Initially, I just had delusions and negative symptoms. I donāt really hallucinate or denied it or didnāt notice it or felt embarassed talking about it lol.
My main symptoms were negatives and Matrix Delusion. I research or āgoogle thingsā a lot of the times.
Iām also into conspiracy theories and attribute things to myself. I also self medicate and abuse caffeine a lot.
I tried supplements and āexperimented on myselfā.
Iām a lot dumber or low functioning than I look and sound, but Iām not stupid eitherā¦
Basically, the high IQ folks I think hallucinate, but donāt have the cognitive and negatives like I do. I donāt hallucinate but have the negatives and cognitive decline. So Iām totally not in that category, despite doing college for 3-4 years and dropping out 12-13 years ago.
I think Elyn Saks is someone you should look into and look up to. She definitely fits that profile and category.
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Yeah the illness causes us to have lower cognition and creativity but I still consider you clever.
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John Nash and Elyn Saks are considered high iq sz. They are known for their achievements. Nash had his theories published and Saks is a law professor. Thereās really no judge (imo) of iq other than accomplishment and achievement.
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From your ability to explain things I have got the understanding that you excell.
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This is anecdotal: I am a member Mensa, which is said to be āthe oldest and largest high IQ society in the world.ā We do have occasional discussions about postulated relationships between āmadnessā and genius. Schizophrenia, though, seems a bit more specific. Honestly, some schizophrenic people seem to have gone through a period of unsanctioned street-drug use that is known to cause physical brain damage. I feel for them, a bit; but, I donāt think I can change that reality.
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Since you are going specific Iāll go specific as well. I am a genius, or at least I was a genius. I am a very atypical genius, or rather I became very atypical. As a kid I was a math wizard, super fast calculating speed, infallible, I took 10 minutes to do my class 2h math tests, completed them with no errors and did them all in my head, I just wrote the answers of long ass expressions, until my math teacher kindly asked me to write one passage so that people wonāt bother her over it, so I did, which upped my completion time to 15-20 minutes, depending on how much I felt like writing in the middle passage. Then I took my calculation ability and threw it in a dumpster at 14 as a side effect of killing my inner monologue, which as it turns out is pretty important to keep a quick calculation speed and all that kind of stuff. At that point since Iām also visually aphantastic which also includes not having memories like normal people I pretty much turned into a savant. Very slow, precise to a fault, highly aware of my learning progress both concerning facts and abstract concepts like how much better I just got at strategizing at chess from seeing one idea. At college I was invited to represent my college in an international competition of coding in Paris and out of a team of three I could pick the third if I accepted, I did not accept but this to give you an idea of what I refer to when I say I am a genius. I was that good. Then psychosis hit and I was just āsmartā, I canāt tell you how stupid smart is from where I fell, I learned humility in a matter of seconds, although it doesnāt show here. My point being I donāt hallucinate but I have cognitives and negatives although I recovered from smart to very smart, which is an upgrade, still not a genius again just yet but itās a much more functioning place to be in and the negatives seem to be improving as well. When I get psychotic the positives consist mainly of delusions and altered realization, some people refer to me as going into mad priest mode because Iām known to go moralistic to the point that Iāll complain at the ticket guy at a museum that they shouldnāt be asking for money for looking at art because it makes it less accessible to the poor. You get the gist, not Karen-like mind you, more like repent and you shall be saved type of vibe.
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