Hi! I really need a therapist right now but I can only get appointments for every other week. I just had a really good session yesterday where we discussed grounding mantras and using logic against delusions.
Deep inside I really believe people are after me even though I know on some level that it’s not real. Do you think if I continue to tell myself it’s not real that someday I will actually believe that the delusion is not real?
No, I don’t believe one can get out of a delusion by logic.
Reasoning and logic can be helpful, yes, but it is not easy when you are in the middle of it all. The more you come out of it, the easier it gets to stay out of it. In other words, the first part is the most difficult. Sometimes, a small dose of neuroleptic can help you come out of the worst of it, enough so that you can use logic to good effect. You can gradually reduce the dose as you learn to deal with your issues, and likewise, you can increase the dose if/when that turns out necessary.
As an example of a cognitive trick you can use, when I was afraid that people could read my thoughts, I simply put that fear to the test. I started deliberately thinking about things I was particularly afraid others would find out. I kept at it, waiting for feedback to prove my fear was real. Guess what? I got no feedback to suggest anyone else knew what I was thinking! That reassured me that it was needless to worry about it.
-Albert.
i don’t think so either. You just get more lost in the delusion.
i just start to get more clear if my meds are at the right dose, then i can see a bit more clearly?
Out of a specific delusion? I think so. Out of a delusional state? Maybe not.
When I was in my big psychotic episode, I think I had new delusions every few hours, because the old ones didn’t make sense anymore.
Very generally it is possible.
Without any medication, with my closest person only ever arguing for delusions being real, I could ground and rationalise myself out of deep psychosis on my own. Large part of that was validating prophecies that I was showered with.
It is impractical however to only rely on grounding rituals. There must be intense program in place to even hope to regain functionality.
To answer the threat title question. I think so, yes.
I had the paranoid delusion that the FBI, CIA and Mafia were listening in on my phone calls. When I started to doubt that delusion, I thought of how expensive it would be for those groups to monitor me.
Funny thing though is fifty years later, the government really is monitoring all our phone calls.
Thankfully, the truth about me is good.
Reality testing is a really good step to making sure you don’t go too far down the rabbit hole.
Obviously its not a bulletproof solution but I believe it’s possible to logic out of some delusions
Delusions and other positive symptoms cant be treated psychologically. You can see how delusional users here never improve unless their meds work. If your meds dont work, you’re stuck with positive symptoms for life. When I was in psychosis I was so sure that my delusions were true and didn’t believe anyone, not even my mother, who was telling me that I am sick, delusional and need meds. I think trying to treat positive symptoms without meds just makes them worse.
Users here who say therapy helps them got better from the meds and not from therapy, remove their meds and everything falls down into delusions regardless of therapy.
I had to be hospitalized by cops and forced to take meds in mental hospital until I accepted taking meds. I still struggle sometimes and think about giving up by quitting all my meds because of severe negative symptoms.
This thread or post is perfect for me. Thanks.
Yes, I tried reasoning through my delusions and madness like John Nash. I took his advice and tried willing it. Unfortunately, mine and others are so rooted in psychosis and madness it’s hard to make sense of it if any sense in a delusional state – not just a single delusion.
I invoked many worlds theory, simulation theory, aliens, time travel, immortality, trans-humanism, the singularity, etc. and I just ended up thinking it’s all spiritual or I’m a freaking genius and a victim with no end to sight.
I believe I have a mild case of autism so I can logically deduce or rationalize or see through the evil, psychotic mess and ties and networks of psychosis. Mine is rooted in trauma, experiments, and evil aliens, unfortunately.
I tried to boil it all down to science and physics but it doesn’t really make sense so I think I’m a lunatic pretty much and just point to my religion mostly with the help of my mom…
For example, last night I told my mom that either the Bible is wrong or I’m not entirely human. She said I may have seen a glimpse of the spirit world 9 years ago when I got really sick perhaps by the grace of God…I had a NDE.
I guess the spirit world is immortal?
I don’t like talking about some stuff at all anymore. It just disables me and I became sick. I do take my meds and they help, but I’m trying to move on slowly and get better in my own unique way.
In college, I’m pretty sure I saw a ARV (ufo) abduct me or come after me or monitor me which in itself requires a lot of resources and time and money and risk, but then again, that goes against common notions and wisdom, and I think they probably know that. Then again in 2016, I saw another alien replica vehicle(s) over my house and it got inside my head (I was off meds at the time healing from NMS). Nobody cares or saw it. It could have advanced invisibility or camo or anti-camera technology and other effects.
They used to call me a super soldier in a past life, I guess. I know a lot about alien telepathy, time travel, aliens, and other things that I have personally seen in my past lives and still remember…
It ain’t cheap, but these guys got nearly an infinite amount of money. We’re talking several trillions, which makes it uncomfortable for most.
What I don’t understand is how I keep coming back alive and remember some infinite quantum memory ■■■■ and have all this trauma that nobody knows or sees. It’s something out of a movie with deja vu and fear and trauma.
Maybe I’m not entirely human because I sincerely believe we live in either a computer simulation that could be isomorphic to the real thing; I escaped it a few times if we talk about eternity; and I interacted with people like Philip k dick I think back in time via the computer.
The cloning aspect is the sick part as well as consciousness transfer. Donald marshall says it cost $30 to clone someone. Imagine someone like Musk worth 100 billion dollars, that’s a lot of clones. Now factor in the multi-verse and time travel and quantum physics. He’s basically an immortal god/trillionaire already.
It never ends, at least for me.
Yes logic or thinking practically is the only way to manage delusion and other symptoms (both positive and negative). Medications like AP will help you to better think logically but its the logical thinking the only way to manage delusion. When someone take AP medicine it simply helps that individual to think logically as in some even after taking AP delusion will not go away fully. Thus logical thinking is the best way to manage such in both cases whether take medication or not.
Great Advice. I Couldnt have put it better.
When get some delusion use or logical and reasoning ability to check whether its true or practically relevant. For this compare your situation with other people, is they too getting such?
I believe not even Nash won against delusions, he just learned to hide them.
Consider our minds like an old worn out manual transmission car which have poor clutch. Yes due to this engine often gets off. But if know to manage it we can still use that car. Poor clutch can be compared to our mind which gives fake thoughts, delusions and other symptoms. But we need to learn to ignore such distractions so that it won’t affect our functioning.
Exactly.
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I don’t know if I can logic out my delusions. I tell myself maybe it isn’t true but i can’t quite believe it isn’t. I’m aware others would call it fake but I call it real - its real for me.