I can't forgive that we kill, even to eat

I’ve been in conflict about this since I was a kid. I don’t know any wise words that help. Do you? It seems presumptuous to assume that the victim didn’t care or didn’t have those who needed and loved him.

I think it’s ok to kill and eat animals as long as it’s done in a humane way. As long as the animals die quickly.

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I just started buying free range chicken breasts. I am against cruelty, but I dont see a problem with most farming.

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Free range chicken meat is tough. To make the meat tender you have to leave your chickens in a coup all day. My dad’s chickens are free range. The meat is still good though.

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We live in a broken world. You are right to see injustice in murder. We kill plants too, but have to eat something. Spirulina anybody?
Think of how cattle get all alienated because for centuries they have been slaughtered after only a couple years. Look at their eyes and see. They have made it all very impersonal though, people, someone else does it far away and the meat only is in the store and it tastes good! No offense to vegetarians of course.

The meat didn’t taste good to me. I only liked the salt.

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@chordy so don’t eat it, that’s fine. There are millions of great vege dishes to choose from. Murder should never be but it has always been there, its not you fault. The best of us get murdered some times.

Studies show that even plants have feelings and communicate to each other through roots.
I think mine is an ego problem because I’m thinking if anyone deserves to die it would be me.

I would be a vegan but I need nutrition and I don’t like supplements so therefore I can’t be a vegan.

You are so wrong about that. I can regale you with stories of what some of the people on death row have done, but I don’t want to trigger anyone. But believe, there are a LOT of people far worse than you.

I used to believe that every form of life competed with or preyed on every other form of life, but after watching a few nature shows I realized that a lot of life forms help each other out. For example, the yellow pine puts out pine cones that have these nuts in them. Just at the right time of year a bird comes and starts to cache individual pine nuts in lots of locations. A single bird can stash hundreds of nuts. Then, when the bird needs the nuts in winter time, it can only remember where about seventy percent of the nuts it stashed are. So a lot of yellow pine trees get planted this way. I watched this film about penguins at the south pole. These birds have a lot of selfless behaviors. If human beings had the values these penguins have, communism would work. Also, this is kind of bloody, but artic foxes follow polar bears around during winter and eat all the scraps the bear leaves behind. There is a lot about this world that is incomprehensible to me. There are a lot of examples of cooperation between species, but there is also a lot of savagery. It’s the way much of nature works. Humanity didn’t create this scheme. People are evolved from animals, but I think it is our job to transcend the savagery of nature. I was watching this program about the South Sea. It is mostly ocean, but there are a few tiny islands here and there. It is interesting to see how different societies evolved to survive their situations. A few of them didn’t do well. The stone statues that everyone marvels at on Easter Island were the one single accomplishment of the indigenous society that lived there. This society stripped the island clean of all its resources. At one time Easter Island was teeming with all kinds of life, both plant and animal. Now the island is populated by nothing but barren grass. There is this other small island, and it is so densely populated by human beings that it is the most densely populated piece of earth in the world. These people have used their resources carefully, and they have existed in this tiny island for hundreds of years. There was this other island where the people have tamed the eels that populate its shores. They did this because the eels eat all the fetid material around the island and keep the water around them clean. They tamed the eels by offering them scraps of food, and these eels would come up on this slick mud on the island, and they would even let the islanders handle them. The eels were thoroughly tame. The point of this is that humanity has the capability to choose how it lives. We can live according to compassion and wisdom, or we can rape our planet of its resources. We have to decide.

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Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write to me (us) about this subject. It is important to me. I was so dominated, I never thought I had a choice, but now I can know that man can choose to be good or evil.

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If you think about it …
1.) eating nuts is eating a baby plant.
2.) eating meat is eating an animal.
3.) Eating Beans same as eating baby plants.
4.) Eating veggies same as eat a plant or eating baby plant(s).

You are right eating is quite deadly to other things, but you have to eat just do it and do it with thanks their are those items to eat to be healthy with that let you survive another day … Just my personal opinion.

There is a lot of meat now that is free range organic. It’s quite a bit more expensive than the regular meat. We used to raise cattle and pigs and chickens. All free range. We were very cautious about using feed that was not full of chemicals. I enjoyed raising them

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I use live on a farm… My one Great uncle was Dairy farmer, the other up the road was Beef Farmer. We only did organic foods for cattle that gave milk and beef. I still think it is wiser to eat such due to less additives … There once was a study it showed children developing fast or poorly due to additives feed / injected into non organic cattle, poultry, extra. It wasn’t a good report. Children developing faster due to growth hormones found in beef and chicken extra… Organic is much better food for all.

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If we could just genetically engineer ourselves to produce chlorophyll and enable ourselves to meet our nutritional needs through photosynthesis we’d have that problem solved, but I don’t think it is likely for that to happen any time soon.

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I am a vegetarian.

I used to be a ethical vegan.
I was a ethical vegan for eight months but it’s really strict and you don’t even wear wool or leather etc .

Some people that are strongly anti abortion hunt innocent animals just for fun such as giraffes and eat baby animals who may have been tortured.
The vegans call them speciests.its like a racist but to different species.
If you visit peta they write a lot about it.

I have killed when I was psychotic and hearing voices and felt tortured 24/7 I had a abortion .
My family said I can’t even take care of myself and forded me and I was not strong enough to stand up for our baby and his life.
I should have asked his father but I thought he and his friends wanted to kill me and etc
I don’t think about it but I wish I had of had our baby boy.
He would be a teenager now.
Our hearts united and I became pregnant.

I wish I had not have done what I did but I was so sick and tormented by voices etc

The things I have seen done to innocent animals I think is tragic.

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Jainists live without killing anything other than microorganisms, they only eat fruiting bodies and walk around sweeping the ground in front of them so they don’t step on any bugs. That is a pretty extreme expression of the sentiment.

Personally though, the only life that makes sense to preserve is human life. Animal life is ours to do with as we please.

From a sustainability perspective though, farming is a huge consumer of water and food, and is pretty calorically inefficient compared to just eating plants, so that’s going to be a big factor in the future.

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I don’t think that this is mostly about the victim not having loved ones, but victims not looking for refuge under the protection of someone is what really startles me.

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When I asked for refuge, I was left high and dry. No help at all. That is what led to my first psychosis.

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