Discrepancy between IQ and Daily living skills

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Discrepancy between IQ and Daily Living Skills

People often assume a high IQ guarantees competence in everyday life, but research and clinical experience show this is not always true. Intelligence tests measure analytical and problem-solving ability, not practical skills or emotional/social savvy. Daily living (time management, hygiene, organization, finances, social interaction) relies heavily on executive function and emotional skills that can be independent of IQ. For example, Sternberg’s “successful intelligence” model emphasizes practical and creative skills in addition to analytic IQ. Likewise, longitudinal studies of gifted individuals found that intellect and achievement are “far from perfectly correlated” – many high-IQ people did not end up notably happier or more successful than peers with lower IQ. In short, IQ alone is a poor predictor of everyday competence.

Executive Function and Practical Skills

Everyday tasks require executive functions (EF): cognitive processes like planning, organizing, initiating tasks, time management and impulse control. While IQ and EF overlap, they are distinct domains. Studies note that some high-IQ individuals still struggle with EF: “some high-IQ individuals struggle with executive functions; thus, there is clearly more to intelligence than executive functioning alone”. In other words, a brilliant student may nevertheless fail to start homework, miss deadlines, or lose items if their EF is weak. Indeed, EF deficits often appear in conditions like ADHD or autism even when IQ is high. For example, in a clinical study of autistic adults, researchers found that increased IQ did not translate to better daily skills; in fact, higher IQ was linked to lower adaptive functioning scores. The authors concluded that “preserved IQ alone does not ensure optimal adaptive functioning”.

  • Practical intelligence matters: Real-world success often depends on practical and emotional intelligence as much as raw IQ. For instance, emotional intelligence (EQ) – the ability to perceive and manage emotions – is cited as even more important than IQ for life success. Someone with high IQ but low EQ may navigate academics easily yet fail to read social cues, manage stress, or motivate themselves to do mundane tasks.

Neurodevelopmental and Clinical Factors

High IQ often coexists with neurodevelopmental or psychiatric conditions that impair daily function. The “twice-exceptional” (2e) population – gifted individuals with ADHD, autism, or learning disorders – exemplifies this disparity. Studies show:

  • ADHD: High-IQ people are not immune to ADHD. Neuropsychological research found high-IQ adults with ADHD still performed worse on EF tests than high-IQ controls. Clinically, high-IQ ADHD adults report difficulty focusing, organizing, and managing time. Longitudinal studies confirm that childhood ADHD persists regardless of IQ and predicts real-world problems: high-IQ youths with ADHD had significantly higher rates of anxiety, mood or behavior disorders and much worse social and academic functioning than high-IQ peers without ADHD. They also earn less: adults with childhood ADHD typically have lower earnings, greater debt and financial dependence than controls. In short, ADHD’s inattention and impulsivity often ruin routines and finances, whether IQ is 100 or 160.

  • Autism Spectrum: Similarly, individuals with autism (especially “high-functioning” autism) can have very high IQ scores yet struggle with daily living. Research on autistic adults shows adaptive skills (measured by Vineland Daily Living Scales) are often far below what IQ would predict. Common autistic traits – rigid routines, sensory issues, difficulty with transitions – impair personal hygiene, meal preparation, scheduling and social interaction even in intellectually gifted adults. One study noted that adaptive behavior scores were always lower than IQ, and the gap was larger in autistic adults with higher IQ.

  • Other Conditions: High IQ also occurs with anxiety, depression or OCD. For instance, gifted children often exhibit high perfectionism and worry. Surveys found gifted boys report more depressive symptoms than average peers. In adults, the social isolation that sometimes accompanies intense intelligence can feed anxiety or sadness. Excessive anxiety or depression can sap energy for basic tasks (making it hard to keep up hygiene or pay bills on time). Perfectionism – common in gifted populations – may lead one to procrastinate or avoid tasks for fear of not doing them perfectly.

Social and Emotional Skills

High IQ does not guarantee social adeptness. Emotional and social intelligence – skills like empathy, communication and self-awareness – are separate from analytic IQ. Experts note that “emotional intelligence is more important than IQ for success in life”. In practice, many highly intelligent people feel alienated or lonely. A Psychology Today article on giftedness summarizes research findings: “High-IQ people often experience social isolation… prone to depression… set lofty expectations they can’t meet”. Likewise, gifted children have been reported to feel more inattentive and socially withdrawn, rating their own social functioning as low. In adults, low EQ can mean difficulty interpreting others’ emotions, making friends, or navigating teamwork – none of which are captured by an IQ score.

Environmental and Educational Factors

Beyond innate traits, life skills depend on education and environment. Lack of training or structure can leave even clever people clueless about practical tasks. For example, an academically brilliant student from a sheltered background may never have learned how to budget or maintain a tidy living space. Conversely, highly motivated parents or schools may focus on intellectual enrichment at the expense of teaching organizational or self-care routines. Peer and workplace cultures also matter: a prodigy who spent years in solitary study might be rusty at interview skills or collaboration. While hard data are sparse, clinicians emphasize that context and habits (like having mentors or using planners) greatly influence whether intelligence translates into competence.

Common Daily Challenges

In concrete terms, these factors play out in key life domains:

  • Time Management: Estimating and allocating time is an EF skill. High-IQ individuals with ADHD or poor EF may chronically underestimate how long tasks take, miss deadlines, or fail to prioritize. They often “have trouble starting or finishing tasks” and “keeping belongings organized”. Even without ADHD, a person who overthinks problems may get “analysis paralysis,” delaying action (as noted by clinical psychologists) and thereby struggle with time.

  • Organization: Organization requires planning and sustained focus. Many gifted ADHD or autistic people are creative but chaotic – their ideas are brilliant, but they lose track of details, resulting in cluttered desks, missed appointments or forgotten chores. Executive dysfunction can cause a person to misplace keys or overlook routine tasks even while excelling at intellectual challenges.

  • Personal Hygiene and Self-Care: Keeping a regular hygiene routine (bathing, grooming, healthy eating) depends on daily structure. Executive dysfunction or depression often leads to neglect of self-care. For example, people with ADHD may forget showers or laundry while hyperfocused on a task. Autistic adults with high IQ but sensory sensitivities might avoid certain hygiene activities. In all cases, IQ does not prevent one from being forgetful or unmotivated about mundane routines.

  • Financial Management: Handling money safely involves planning, delayed gratification and impulse control. Research shows ADHD dramatically impairs financial outcomes, even for the intelligent. Adults with childhood ADHD earned far less and relied more on family or welfare support compared to peers. They also “had significantly more problems managing money (difficulty saving, paying bills on time, impulsive buying)”. Thus a genius can still bankrupt themselves with poor spending habits or neglect of bills.

  • Social Interaction: Forming relationships requires emotional insight, communication skills and tolerance of social norms. Gifted individuals may be out-of-sync with peers: interests that are too advanced, a blunt communication style, or misreading social cues. High IQ people sometimes overthink or intellectualize interactions, hindering spontaneity. Without strong EQ or social learning, one may come across as aloof or insensitive. As studies note, having a high IQ often correlates with feeling “less happy” in social terms.

Summary of Factors and Implications

  • Executive vs Analytical Ability: High cognitive ability does not automatically produce good executive skills. Disorders of executive function (ADHD, learning disabilities) can exist even at high IQ.
  • Neurodevelopmental Comorbidities: Many people with high IQ also have conditions like ASD or ADHD that impair daily living. Research finds these individuals often have “adaptive deficits” despite intelligence.
  • Emotional and Social Skills: Intelligence tests do not measure EQ or social competence. Gifted people may suffer isolation or depression due to social challenges.
  • Environmental/Training Factors: Without proper guidance, even capable individuals can lack life skills. Education and cultural factors (e.g. overemphasis on academics) can leave practical training gaps.

Implications: Clinicians and educators recognize that nurturing life skills is crucial. A high-IQ person struggling with daily tasks may need the same kind of support as anyone with executive function deficits or emotional difficulties – not “IQ training,” but coaching in organization, self-regulation, social skills and self-care. In short, a holistic view of a person’s profile (strengths and weaknesses) is essential. Having a brilliant mind is no guarantee of smooth daily functioning, so interventions should target underlying factors (executive skills training, therapy, structured routines) rather than assuming intelligence will compensate.

Sources: Psychological and clinical studies of giftedness, executive function, ADHD and autism (see references) support these insights. These show that adaptive functioning (daily living skills) does not always track with IQ, highlighting the need to address emotional, cognitive and environmental factors to help high-IQ individuals thrive in everyday life.

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Shortened version.

A person’s IQ—how they score on analytic problem‑solving tests—doesn’t guarantee smooth day‑to‑day living. Everyday competence (keeping track of time, managing money, staying organized and clean, and navigating social situations) depends heavily on:

  • Executive functions (planning, initiating and finishing tasks, impulse control). High IQ can coexist with executive‑function weaknesses—as seen in gifted people with ADHD or autism—so someone may be brilliant yet chronically miss deadlines, lose things or neglect chores.
  • Emotional and social skills. Test scores don’t measure empathy, stress‑management or reading social cues. A highly intelligent person with low emotional intelligence may feel isolated, struggle with relationships or avoid routine tasks out of perfectionism or anxiety.
  • Environmental training and support. Without guidance—budgeting lessons, structured routines or social mentoring—even very bright individuals can flounder in practical matters.

In short, intelligence tests capture analytical talent but not practical “life skills.” When a high‑IQ person struggles with daily living, the solution isn’t more IQ training but targeted support: executive‑skill coaching, emotional‑social learning and structured habits.

I’ve never had any of that targeted support.

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My way of dealing with the things that apply here is to be an ostrich

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There is robust evidence that, in schizophrenia, performance on standardized IQ tests often overestimates an individual’s capacity to carry out everyday activities—what clinicians call “functional capacity” or daily living skills. In other words, even patients with near‑normal or above‑average IQ scores frequently struggle with tasks like managing finances, meal preparation, medication routines, or using public transport.

1. Intellectual ability vs. functional capacity

  • IQ tests (e.g., WAIS) tap general reasoning, vocabulary, and problem‑solving but do not directly assess the ability to plan, sequence, and execute real‑world tasks.
  • Functional capacity measures (e.g., the UCSD Performance‑Based Skills Assessment, UPSA) simulate daily activities in controlled settings and have been shown to correlate only moderately with IQ (often explaining 20–30% of the variance in UPSA scores) (PubMed).

2. Disproportionate daily living impairments

  • Even “intellectually superior” individuals with schizophrenia—those scoring well above the population mean on IQ tests—show persistent deficits in everyday functioning comparable to more cognitively impaired peers. This suggests a disease‑related disruption in translating cognitive potential into practical skills (Frontiers).
  • Longitudinal work also finds that, over time, improvements in IQ do not translate fully into parallel gains in daily living skills; effect sizes for change in UPSA performance are substantially larger than those for IQ, indicating a relative lag in functional capacity (Frontiers).

3. Contributing factors beyond IQ

  • Processing speed, working memory, executive function, and social cognition each add unique predictive value for functional outcomes beyond what IQ alone accounts for. For example, slower processing speed particularly undermines the ability to sequence multi‑step tasks (PubMed Central).
  • Negative symptoms (avolition, anhedonia, social withdrawal) and motivation deficits further widen the gap by reducing one’s drive to initiate or persist with daily tasks, again over and above basic cognitive ability.

4. Clinical implications

  • Assessment of functional capacity should be separate from IQ testing—using performance‑based measures like the UPSA or the UCSD Social Skills Performance Assessment.
  • Interventions (e.g., cognitive remediation, skills training, motivational enhancement) need to target not only global cognition but also specific real‑world skills and motivational barriers to help bridge the IQ–function gap.

In summary, although IQ provides valuable information about general cognitive strengths and weaknesses, it is by no means a full proxy for daily living skills in schizophrenia. Tailored functional assessments and interventions are essential to address the specific deficits that prevent many patients from realizing their cognitive potential in everyday life.

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Why is it that everything is going over my head I tried to read but it’s too long. :pensive_face:

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Me too. The OP has posted something which is too long for me to read. Not because I don’t want to make the effort, but my attention span is probably not long enough I think in my case it has to do with ADD.

Yes, there is often a clear disparity between IQ and daily living skills in people with schizophrenia. Many individuals score in the average or even above-average range on IQ tests but still struggle with everyday tasks like managing money, cooking, or taking medication.

This gap occurs because:

  • IQ tests measure general reasoning but not real-world functioning.
  • Functional skills are more affected by things like executive dysfunction, slow processing speed, poor working memory, and lack of motivation.
  • Negative symptoms (like apathy or social withdrawal) also reduce daily functioning, regardless of IQ.

So, high IQ does not guarantee good daily living skills in schizophrenia. Separate assessment and targeted support are needed.

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Imo life is like a video game where every character has certain stat points (time) they can allot to various aspects of themselves. IQ is great and all but if you spend all your points for example in a driving game on maxing out “maximum speed” or something then your “handling”, “accelleration” “strength” etc points will be low.

Its good to be intelligent but sometimes people can be unbalanced if they spend too much time cultivating their minds and not cultivating themselves in other ways.

I think that may be why, whether purposely or not, some really intelligent people end up lacking social skills, work skills, emotional regulation skills etc.

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  1. High IQ measures analytical reasoning but doesn’t ensure everyday competence.
  2. Daily living relies on executive functions—planning, task initiation, impulse control—which can be weak despite high IQ.
  3. Emotional and social intelligence (empathy, stress management, reading cues) is distinct from IQ and vital for relationships and routines.
  4. Conditions like ADHD or autism often impair executive and adaptive skills even in intellectually gifted individuals.
  5. Lack of practical training or structured support can leave bright people unprepared for finances, hygiene, organization, and time management.
  6. Effective help focuses on coaching in executive skills, emotional–social learning, and habit building rather than boosting IQ.
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I read it, and what I got out of it is that high IQ is a poor predictor of everyday competence.

I’ll make an example (I don’t know if this example is correct). Let’s say that you’re an exceptional coder, but you lack planning, organizing, task initiation, time management, and impulse control. You also lack empathy, communication, and self-awareness.

Thus even though you’re an exceptional coder, you lack the necessary skills to do well in life.

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That makes sense.

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Sorry for going overboard about this. It’s a subject I’m interested in due to my lived experience, including lack of help and support for something that has been rather disabling. Also,apart from the last 7 years, poor relationship with mental health services.

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I wish I could still see flagged posts. I want mod powers without mod responsibilities.

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If I’ve annoyed or upset anyone I apologise. :worried:

I don’t think you are annoying or upsetting anyone with this thread. I often feel that way with the maths/physics thread. I’ve asked if I’m annoying or triggering anyone before and nobody claimed as such so I think it’s fine, your interest in iq is the same. It’s harmless

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Don’t worry @firemonkey

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