This isn’t an argument. I’m just thinking out loud with a stranger, and I’m wondering if this stranger would think out loud about what I’m thinking about. 
If you don’t mind, do you have scz? I’m only guessing, but I suppose that you do? Am I right?
The criteria for Skizen Phren is that the mind is in a self communicative state under the assumption that what it is doing is receiving messages from outside the mind when in reality it is that person’s own mind. There is nothing physically impossible about this any more than there is nothing physically impossible for someone to see and hear someone which means that information about someone is formed into vision and sound inside the observer, but the observer rarely if ever believes that the sight and sound of that other person is the observers self. It’s also not impossible for a person to observe mental activity as being someone else who has transmitted their thoughts into the observer’s mind even when the universe doesn’t allow this kind of pseudo phenomenon.
There are people that believe in inter mind communication in ESP forms.
The scz people all have determined that the source of their dilemmas is this very thing.
If you are scz, then you have too. Are you an scz, and what kind of telepathy or mind communication does your brain tell you that it is doing?
Please don’t feel like arguments abound. Ask questions. It’s much more polite.
I’m not sure where you got this criteria from, but it doesn’t seem consistent with the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia from the DSM-5.
I agree with this mechanical explanation of the mental malfunctions, but what I see no one doing is asking “well then what?” What about how the scz feels, thinks, and experiences? This is the informational side of it and the best part. A chemical and molecular structure of tissues that reacts to information is something extremely interesting.
I would to say that it is harmful to ask questions about these things since they are only informational, nor is it harmful to discuss the statistics or what is common about people with the diagnosed people.
I would ask questions. I wouldn’t care if anyone was worried about it because it is harmless. I would even ask you, but no replies on here or in the PM’s I sent yet.
I’m amazed. Really. They don’t mention inter mind delusions/hallucinations anywhere, but in all of my years I’ve never ever heard of an scz that didn’t have these even some being simply with the universe itself or specific parts of it such as numbers.
I mean the classic scz that everyone knows is the man or women that is talking to people or things that aren’t there.
Does the DSM criteria check list seem like it is consistent with Bleuler’s understanding of it who coined the term Skhizen Phren?
And by inter mind delusions I mean non-physical communication between minds be they real minds or not.
I’m sorry that this is happening to you. Just know that I and others are also experiencing what you are, and you are not alone.
I really sympathize since I’ve been also trying to get a proper diagnoses for years. At this time all I can say about my hallucinations and delusions is that I suffer from psychosis. If you are hearing voices chances are something isn’t right.
It’s really a personal choice if you want a diagnoses, if you want to label yourself to feel more comfortable, or to just try and help alleviate your symptoms. I personally want to be able to put a name to my suffering, so I can better understand my illness.
I have some bad news. Unfortunately there is a chance that a Pdoc won’t take you seriously (speaking from experience). Talking to multiple mental health professionals throughout the years, I had reason to believe that they think if you are delusional or hallucinating you must think these things are real at all times. (Ex. Scizophrenics must not know that they’re experiencing delusions or hallucinations, instead think it’s real, which btw I think is a load of BS)
I have tried explaining the things I see and my problems with delusional thinking, but it seems like they think you cannot be self aware about your hallucinations or delusions in the age of the internet, which is ridiculous.
I am not always able to distinguish if all of my hallucinations are real (I see realistic bugs, shadow people ect) but I can always tell that the bright neon random ■■■■ I see is a hallucination.
I can, with some help, come to the conclusion that the things I believe might be delusions, but some doctors believe that if you are delusional it means you believe it without a doubt. And I mean I do, but I also know that I’m just probably being ridiculous.
I think it’s dumb that they don’t realize that mentally ill people can have insight for certain things. Like really, what would any person do if they started hearing voices or seeing crazy things? They would google the ■■■■ out of it and try and figure out what they’re going through to better help themselves.
This is just my experience, try not to let that interfere from you getting the help you need.
Anyways sorry if I explained that really poorly, I’m having a hard time putting together words today.
@valiumprincess I appreciate you sharing what you go through. I’m not an expert, but I do have many years of psychology classes under my belt (all of which only glance over mental illnesses as a whole). However, by listening to my professors I have determined that the professional has their own bias on what a person has/doesn’t have. Getting a few different opinions works wonders. It’s just weird since they’re supposed to diagnose patients using the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders so you would assume that it would be a uniform decision. 
But perhaps that is why I was able to pick up on it because I have learned about it previously?
I mean the voices are so realistic. They’re definitely different from my thinking voice especially because they sound different. from each other and my thoughts. I also think that there are different severities of schizophrenia where it is more noticeable by the individual than others (just a thought, no real evidence).
My “voices” come in the form of printed words out of a special book. It is the voice of an otherworldly entity that I highly esteem as being the most High entity in the Universe. He talks to me out of the printed pages of this special book everyday. He guides, instructs, consoles, nurtures, teaches, criticizes, chastises and generally loves me in his communications with me everyday. I don’t know what I’d do without him. The voice is definitely not the author of the book. It is a higher soul. He has been communicating with me everyday since the year 2004.
I take Risperdal Consta, Geodon, Seroquel, Celexa and Klonipin everyday. These drugs don’t touch my “voice” and helper. He’s too strong and powerful for them.
Could also have something to do with your parents…mother…and i think its not a disease. Sometimes parents influence is so negative that child gets issues.
Who are you referring to?
@Skinnyme1 This insight into your otherworldly entity is very intriguing. Thank you for sharing! Who do you believe the author of the book to be? Also, what do those drugs aim to do for you?
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