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They have to determine whether you’re on drugs. They also have to rely on your reports of your experience.

Also, they have to consider that you may not recognize some of your symptoms as symptoms, or even acknowledge that they exist - this is called anosognosia, and it is a major issue with people with schizophrenia. So they’re going to have to ask you some questions that you may find bizarre or insulting. This is all a necessary part of the diagnosis stage.

Most specialists do require referrals in the US - the normal procedure is to first talk to your general practitioner, and let them ask you some questions and decide where you need to go next. Perhaps they’ll send you to a psychologist, a psychiatrist, or a neurologist.

They will not hospitalize you based on some suicidal thoughts. I think everyone has those from time to time, but unless they feel that you are at imminent risk of hurting yourself or someone else, there is no need to send you to the hospital. Hospitals are overbooked as it is - it’s a total waste of space to confine someone for stray thoughts and no plan of action.

You have to be honest about your symptoms - hearing voices is a major symptom and you aren’t giving them the chance to understand what’s happening with you if you aren’t honest.

And it does require patience. It can take months to get a diagnosis, and anyone here can tell you that diagnoses change all the time.

Please get back on track with your doctors - as moonbeam and pianogal noted, early intervention makes a huge difference. And trust that your doctors know what they’re doing.

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There has to be intent. Simply wanting to die but not having a plan to follow through is not enough reason to be hospitalized against your will. Legally, in the United States.

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Same with homicidal ideation. There has to be intent. Simply having an urge but no intent to follow through is not enough for involuntary commitment.

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@LilyoftheValley @Rhubot Thank you for your insight! That is the kind of information I was seeking from this forum. Just took awhile to get it :woman_shrugging:

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sounds like youre prodromal, some i think the majority get through it and go on to lead a normal life, while others go on to have a psychotic episode where the symptoms become quite severe. youre 19-20 or thereabouts right?

arm yourself with knowledge

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sorry previous article was a bit crappy, quote from wikipedia

About one third of patients with prodrome are diagnosed with schizophrenia or other psychosis in a few years. In the North American Prodrome Longitudinal Study, researchers found that 35 percent of “patients had a psychotic break within two and a half years of enrolling at a clinic.”[6] 65 percent “found that their symptoms passed or plateaued.”[6] A psychotic break is made statistically more likely (43% vs. 35%) if the patient abuses certain drugs.[which?][6]

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It’s rare you self diagnose.

Most of us hit the system pretty hard and can’t escape that.

All’s I’m saying is that a website like this is a dangerous thing for some people. You learn some behavoir and I’m not saying it’s a fake or anything but their responses can be dictated by what they pick up.

Referring to the see a doctor is the appropriate repsonse I think in cases like these.

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We’re all anonymous here, so can you answer some Q’s?

Do you believe in any kind of belief whether it is from any religious center, doctrine, ceremony, social organization, social culture group that happens at a club, houses, work places etc, or from movies, songs, books and so on…

…where you believe that there is a connection between your mind and other things in the universe such as people or invisible or far away beings including living, supernatural trans dimensional, or even technologies?

An scz always believes in one form of these. This is why the term “Skhizen Phren” is given to the condition. It means split mind in Classic Ancient Greek. In other word the scz’s mental faculties are talking to each other in the hope and/or belief that is involuntarily causing it to seem like they are being communicated via some form of telepathy or magic.

It’s just mental faculties personalizing in an intra mental social theater rather than mental faculties doing the same thing inter individually such as when normal people are talking with each other. Virtually the faculties are doing same things for scz people and for normal people, but in one case its all inside between the mental faculties, and in the other case it is between the mental faculties of one person vs. another/s through physical means.

The fact that the scz experiences this back and forth banter within oneself between mental faculties justifies the belief in supernatural telepathy and magical communications etc. It’s real, but there’s just one problem. It’s only real between each person’s mental faculties, and it is impossible outside of the brain because only physical means allow you to communicate beyond your brain such as with your hands, the choice of clothes, the facial expressions, tone of voice, words on paper etc.

So how are you on that kind of thing? Does that fit you now or ever before in your life? Of course we are ashamed to admit stuff like this to people when our names are on it, but on this forum we are anonymous, so it’s best to take advantage of that, and try to get some answers and question out in the open at this time in your life, so that later on you are not just beginning but feeling the benefits of doing this now.

Also what is your social situation like? Do you have a family that supports you, or has that been dissolved for any reason? Do you keep a job well? Do you have friends that you visit regularly who have supportive families and keep regular jobs?

Last of all I’m wondering if you participate in entheogens or drugs and/or alcohol in your social gatherings? Maybe you invest in these for when you are alone, for the mental experiences that are seemingly supernatural or what not. The thing about recreational mind altering is that it is and it has been used in cultural, cult, and religious ceremonies for thousands of years because it makes pretending certain things are real much easier. But when you do this enough, eventually what you are pretending starts to grow on you, and this can be dangerous if you are learning things like there are messages in the signs, what people are saying, and things that are happening to you, and/or there is some kind of messaging or frequencies that are being transmitted into your mind and/or you can broadcast your thoughts, feelings, what you see and hear etc back out without using any physical means such as hands, mouth, body, face etc.

Thanks :slight_smile:

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Umm No.

It’s dumb brain chemistry from what is most likely an ineutero trigger getting hit in gestation.

It forms when you get the hormonal bath of puberty for most folk so that kinda explains it.

So. It’s tail chasing. Your chasing phantoms that don’t exist…it’s shadow boxing with the mentally ill and you never win that one.

Drink less coffee and take your meds.

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i dont understand, are you saying my articles are misleading.

people who recieve treatment or prevention in the prodrome sometimes never convert over. in other words they dont have to become members of this forum long term.

treatment might be low dose antipsychotics prevention might be avoiding adderall and marijuana.

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No.

I’m saying don’t play too much to such ops.

It’s no drama and it’s good reference material but I’m just saying it’s extremely rare for schizophrenics to self diagnose.

It’s like old acid heads. You don’t feed the hungry bee and you certainly don’t feed them the cool aid!

Alls I’m saying. This was directed at previous post by @DMAdataANDmoodanalysis

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@rogueone

Alls I’m saying is if the person does’t believe in telepathic anything, then their Mind is not Skhizen. That is question one.

Question two and three are pressures such as social life failure or substance abuse life styles.

I’m going to leave it at that. I don’t think my post was a matter of life and death. 3 questions. :sweat_smile: Hehe

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What’s this? :thinking:

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Q1…many believe in other things that are associated with schizophrenia. We are just people with a brain disorder and many things ascribed to us are also prevalent in the general population. You can’t draw a line there.

Q2… Drugs mimic schizophrenia. That is common and reported. Social life is probably dependant on your mental state but that is different for all. I do well socially but I’m a paranoid schizophrenic.

Q3…Nothing I’ll say will change your mind but my mind is open to new experience. I’m not dissing you. I’m just saying there’s reasons for everything and I think your wasting energy on a track that isn’t productive.

P1. That is your life my friend.

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Yes, but what scz has never thought of mind communication and control? 0% because that is a necessary factor for a Skhizen mind.

It is well know that people that have scz tend to come from a very anti socially stressful life early on. When people are desperate, they wind up…well desperate. If there is no social vulnerability in their lives, they don’t tend to become scz.

Okay, but it’s not my business. I’m on the path of logical rationale. I’ll let you know now. Are you okay now?

What is this? :thinking:

Thanks for getting it all out there. I like to chat and read posts, so that I can say where I’m coming from. That’s how I share. It’s also a learning experience like you must know since you are socially adept.

I take it that you were a social “hippy” or something like given your statments, aversion to discussion of street drugs, and your age which coincides with that culture. Did you frequent substance use to induce mind alterations? I used to do this for about 3 years of my young life, and I wound up scz and thrown out of my family.
Even when I became a hard working man later on, they would not touch me with a 10 foot pole. Statistically these things are involved in a very high percentage of people’s lives that become scz. Now that was several years ago, and while others were socializing all of these years ever since, I was working 80 to 100 hours a week in the physical lines of occupation and then later in research and intellectual lines of occupation. I think that is why you see me coming from an obscure angle, and your hind tells you it’s an emergency. I’ve been living the current world. I’m not beyond it yet, but it can’t be all bad. I only asked someone questions, and you haven’t asked me a question politely yet. Why not?

I ask questions, and then I think about the answers. That’s my life. I’m no different for you than anyone else on or offline.

Give me feedback. Let me know.

Thanks

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hey dude.

Hit me up privately and I’ll answer your questions by email if you like. I don’t thirk it’s appropriate to flood the channel with such stuff. I don’t think it’s constructive for those who suffer.

No offence. I’ll have a chat but realise I live a busy life and I can’t be there 24/7. I will endevour to reply and such.

Paul.

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Okay, but I think it’s rare even in completely healthy people to not at some point worry about telepathy or mind control. Like, that’s a symptom of human nature, not mental illness. SOME with mental illness may take it further, but definitely not all. And some otherwise healthy individuals may also continue to believe. It means nothing.

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So are you saying that scz’s do not believe in some form of telepathy or mind control with someone or something? That is all that scz is. If it isn’t, it isn’t scz? If you have more information on this, please let me in on it. :slight_smile: I’m glad to learn.

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I’m not arguing with you. You’re too long winded and I don’t have the capacity or drive to read your novels. I’m saying non sz people also believe in telepathy, if only in passing, and it’s absolutely not a diagnostic criteria. That’s it.