Vancouver, Canada SUV Driven into Crowd Kills 11

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This is a big news story in Canada. 11 dead, dozen or more injured.

All that is said about driver is he has history with police and mental health teams.

Is this someone who inevitably was going to do violence or was he worsened by treatment?

I’ve had bad experiences with Canadian mental health teams and ended up worsened, aggressive, agitated and psychotic.

I never had a criminal charge for violence or at all until after being treated by them.

In Canada the driver may not be considered legally responsible, so should those with inadequate knowledge of the disease and medicine be found to bear some responsibility?

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That’s sad but to answer your question, yes, those who failed him/her are also to a degree responsible.

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I look at it as being directly responsible. Through obvious lack of skill and knowledge treated him with chemicals for a condition beyond their understanding resulting in agitation, ocd, etc. leading to the incident.

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You’re absolutely right in the sense that he is in no mind to check himself, but he should also have self beliefs that stop him even contemplating doing anything dangerous - bad people (rather people with bad intentions) can exist imo

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There is an element of a person having some moral compass, but not so much if they are in an extremely disturbed state. My point is that the medicine and treatment increases disturbance.

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Fairs, I’ve been the dangerous Mentally Ill person (having a weapon and wanting to act), I don’t believe my treatment was to blame at all. It was fully me, and it was also fully me who stopped the act of harm

That’s the lens I look at this situation with

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If you weren’t violent before taking medicine then it’s the medicine most likely. If you were violent without taking medicine it’s you.

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Don’t agree tbh, much more nuanced than that, it’s the reason there’ll be judges who review all the info and context and assess the outcome or consequences of everyone involved imo

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Judges wont find the health system responsible because they are acting as an extension of the state. The judge would be indicting his own state’s authority.

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That’s where moral belief comes in, either you believe good vs bad happens or you don’t. Those who don’t nearly all the time fall into the category of being “bad people”

Without going into political structures I wholeheartedly believe that judges are not an extension of state; definitely not in England and the UK that’s for sure. Canada may be different from us

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Judges are not an extension of state, ok. That’s fine.

I think looking at it as good versus bad and making that view good is a little simplistic.

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Moved to The Lounge. Just a reminder that the News category is intended for schizophrenia related news items only per @SzAdmin’s wishes.

Thanks.

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