Delusions are typically characterized as ‘strongly held false beliefs’. Though it is sometimes argued that truth/falsity is not a necessary ingredient of a delusion - as is reflected in the changes from the DSM IV to V definition.
This opens up the conceptual possibility for beliefs that may be said to be neither true nor false, yet very strongly held and not shared by ones peers to be called delusional. I am thinking of values, or, as these are sometimes called, axiological beliefs.
As these are part of our belief-system as well, from one perspective it may seem that nothing prevents these from being affected by our condition. And, given that cognition is demonstraded to be rather messy, or ‘hot’ as it is sometimes called, i.e., values may influence what we hold true about the world, it can be asked whether these are isolated from other regions of the belief system that may uncontroversially be called delusional. On the other hand, I suspect that it might be a sensitive issue to be calling people’s values delusional or pathological, for reasons that have to do with with ideals of freedom, possibly.
What do you think, can some values be connected to, or themselves be called, delusional beliefs?
I was thinking about this for the past 27min ![:slight_smile: :slight_smile:](https://emoji.discourse-cdn.com/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=5)
In my case, my values are deeply connected to my delusions. I can see pretty clearly what’s behind intention, in myself and others.
I can sometimes see the world too “rainbow and unicorns”, and then get slapped by the truth. This is a cycle I’m rather used to really. So I guess some of my values can be delusional yes.
Interesting thing to go think about.
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I’ve seen people with extremely strong beliefs that weren’t necessarily shared by the majority of the people around them. I don’t think I would call them delusions. What they believe has a basis in reality, though it might not be a comprehensive view of reality. I find the idea that strong beliefs that aren’t shared by the majority can be considered delusional to be dangerous. The temptation is to declare anyone who disagrees with you delusional. I think everyone’s personal beliefs are a touchy topic. Everyone has the attitude - “But this is the truth!!!” It’s never a good idea to discuss personal beliefs at a party.
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I think maybe it is more important to emphasize that a pathological delusion should in some way be harmful to the self or others. Even false beliefs can be helpful in a lot of cases, so why see them as part of a disease? But then again, being dead sure about anything is a good sign that you are oversimplifying or even hold a delusional belief, it would be interesting to see a comparison between the normal population and people with psychosis of these “neither true nor false but firmly held beliefs”.
Neurotypical people also have some firmly false beliefs. For them to count as delusions I suppose it needs to shake their view of reality so they become out of it, and then they’ll probably are no longer neurotypicals ![:smile: :smile:](https://emoji.discourse-cdn.com/twitter/smile.png?v=5)
I get the delusion that everyone hates me, which is why I apologize to them all the time. Even on here sometimes I think people hate me. It’s just a delusion I just can shake I think it has to do with the deeply held belief that no one wants me. It also has to do with devaluing myself.