Unconditional love is bull shit

Unconditional love is for babies only. As soon as we can walk, there are demands and conditions to life.

demands and conditions are created by society,
your heart and mind are free to pick which conditions you wish to live in.
you can become a slave to society,
or a leader of the slaves and free them forever.
take care

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No conditions on my love for my wife or daughter. Sorry if I donā€™t conform to your warped sensibilities.

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I unconditionally love a few people in my family

No, I mean demands like donā€™t run out into the street - they are for our own good.

Youā€™re twisting things. Demanding a child be careful around a hot stove is not putting conditions on your love for her, but an extension of it.

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ok this has become a matter of word usage and I donā€™t wish to take it any further.

I agree that love is and should be conditional. If your loved one regularly verbally or physically abuses you with no excuse, then you should withdraw yourself from the relationship. At a very high level of analysis, though, withdrawal is a kind of love because you are encouraging them to improve themselves.

Unconditional love and tough love are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

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I always love my daughter, but I am not always pleased with my daughter. For example, the state the family room was left in after her friends slept over resulted in parental barking and several bouts of waggy finger. The way I see it, Iā€™m just making her that more much lovable by banging out dents. :smiley:

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Yes, bouts of waggy finger are essential in life (at all ages!). I was only talking about rejecting major abuse.

Your comment makes me laugh because before I married, my husband warned me very seriously that he sometimes shouts when heā€™s angry. I thought, ā€œIs that all?ā€ But he has never, ever once shouted at me. Once he got really annoyed and wagged his finger at me and told me to sit down. I was quite relieved at the time. It restored a bit of order in my brain which was sparking off in all kinds of messy directions at the time.

Waggy fingers, definitely a good thing for disorderly family members!

Love might be unconditional - in the sense that we donā€™t necessarily stop loving someone when they hurt us. Iā€™ve worked with so many victims of domestic violence and many of them still loved their partners and didnā€™t want their partners to get into troubleā€¦even when they presented with black eyes and bruising everywhere.

But just because ā€˜loveā€™ itself is still there doesnā€™t mean one shouldnā€™t place conditions - failure to do so can put people at risk or just make their lives miserable in other ways. In the same way that disciplining a child doesnā€™t mean you donā€™t love them - on the contrary, it teaches them something.

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sounds like a technique we use in counselling called unconditional positive regard which is a person centred therapy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_positive_regard we are learning about these things just now.

I donno I love my family pretty much unconditionally. Iā€™d die for them.