Thoughts of being Jesus

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Years ago in hospital i was sat on the toilet in the ward, & i had a deep & clear realisation that i was Jesus. i challenged it all & decided that i wasn’t.

During my first episode for a short while i also had the same experience for an afternoon. i have at various times believed that i am the reincarnation of St Paul, the Creator of the Universe, the Devil & the anti-Christ. There has been a lot of religious themed delusions.

i was raised with quite a religious upbringing in Christianity.

The past 10 years i have been relatively stable on a medication. i have tried to ‘de-program’ from religious thinking & instead focus on spirituality & in working through a lot of the delusional thinking & experiences.

Hard to put a lot of all this into words. For quite a few years i keep getting thoughts/feelings that i’m Jesus - i can challenge it all, entertain & play with it all, & put it all into different perspectives. i don’t think it is literally true.

i read this the other day -

http://www.iawwai.com/WorldSaviour.htm

i think it’s very good little web site - It really resonated with me. Going with the more archetypal, symbolic, metaphorical, mythological & other understandings, maybe we all have aspects of Christ consciousness?

[quote]‘He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.’ - Bible NIV

And in Islam, in the Nahjul Balagha, the Imam Mahdi is so described…

He, in the beginning, will be like a poor stranger unknown and uncared for, and Islam then will be in the hopeless and helpless plight of an exhausted camel who has laid down its head and is wagging its tail. With such a start he will establish an empire of God in this world. He will be the final demonstration and proof of God’s merciful wish to acquaint man with the right ways of life. " - Khutba 187

These passages seem to portray an unlikely candidate for Messiahship. A despised social outcast goes on to save the world and bring about peace on Earth. However, if we assume that everyone has the spirit of the Messiah within them and that potentially we may all help to save the world, then these prophesies may be better understood in a symbolic way. That is, these passages are describing a process of separation and alienation that often accompanies the spiritual journey and mystical quest. The process by which a person is transformed from a normal and mundane state of being, into one of the mythological and god like, will often and perhaps inevitably involve a phase of isolation and relative solitude. During this time of social withdrawal, the relationship between the spiritual aspirant or the would be Messiah, and his or her fellow human beings, may be one of either unilateral or mutual disdain, perhaps even hostility. We see this time and time again in the spiritual and mystical literature.[/quote]

What are other people’s thoughts on all these areas? Religious themes are obviously very common within psychosis & schizophrenia, especially the delusion/idea that ‘we’ are a Holy figure/god, part of a Holy family, on a Divine mission etc.

From a more psychiatric view there is an immense grandiosity with such a belief. An immense ego inflation of self importance. How much is it an ego/identification problem?

There are some popular ideas, touched on in the above article that the ‘return of a World saviour/Maitreya/Christ’ will be a collective shift in consciousness - the lifting of the veil & final revelation.

Hope this thread doesn’t break the rules on religious discussion, as the perspective that i want to explore is really the aspect of psychosis/delusion in relation to such beliefs. Thanks. There may of course be no clear answers.

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They often have several different units in a mental hospital. One reason is that when one guy who thinks he is Jesus mets another guy who thinks he is Jesus, bad feeings come out.

Jayster

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jejus iz calling me…

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I became jesus and lost my identity in my first episode. “God had created a new gift called the gift of transference” so I’d morph from myself to Jesus in a crazy legit psycho way. Thought I could speak any language I’d scream at my family . I even threatened them in a rage that I’d bring a massive earthquake that would destroy the house if they didn’t listen to me.

I thought there was evil spirits in my brothers room at 3 in the morning I woke him up dragged him out of his room and threw his dresser and his bed out of the room as fast as I could cuz the evil spirits would choke me so I thought when I entered the room.

Long story short it was a disastrous episode that got a lot crazier

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What I’ve learned from my experiences with them is that a prophet is just a puppet. Come to your own conclusions about things and use your brain. Not to say you shouldn’t seek spiritual guidance, but have some originality and think for yourself. A prophet or saint just does what they’re told. For me, I had to think long and hard about things, with some minor guidance, but interestingly enough I’ve seemed to learn more from darkness than the light. It is said there is a lot of knowledge and wisdom to be found in a lie.

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What do any of us know about Jesus other then what we read of him in the Bible?

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And psychics, I hate them. They are similar to puppets and the only distinction between clairvoyant knowledge and a delusion is the clairvoyant knowledge turns out to be true, but calling it “knowledge” is a misnomer, since knowledge requires justification. I believe thoughts can be inserted in the brain to create psychic insights or delusions and paranoia, but in essence it is through the same mechanism both are created. I don’t believe in a 6th “sense”; I believe if there is anything to it that the information must be gathered by an external entity of which gathers the intelligence itself behind the scenes. Anatomically speaking, there is nothing in our bodies that would explain psychic “ability” as an actual additional sensory mechanism.

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There are vast occult (hidden) & esoteric (for the few/initiated) writings & teachings - From more modern Theosophy, to Alice Bailey & the ‘new age’ - all of the older orders - the material on these subjects is vast.

Over previous years i’ve read many books about ‘Jeshua’ - OK, you can debate what is authentic, especially what is officially sanctioned material - But there is reams & reams of material from many sources on the subject.

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I’ve spent thousands of hours communicating/interacting with them. You have to learn how to react to them on a psychological level and get a feel for their boundaries, strategies, and energy. Things can be learned if you are smart about it. You can force them to change strategies and become less 2 dimensional in their approach to trying to drive you bonkers.

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I don’t know about all that and where they get their info from, but to me and according to the Christian faith that is written about in the Bible it was Jesus himself who told his followers to imitate him and that even greater things can we do than what he had done, but he also stated that he did not do the works himself alone but that it was the Father that does the work through us as the sons and daughters of God we are meant to become. It’s not to be argued about. We as individuals, either believe or we don’t.

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Some of us don’t put all our stock in the bible. Me personally, I believe many religions were inspired by contact with something paranormal. For instance, Hinduism shares common denominators with Christianity and also predates it. Some of us pick up on these connections, whereas others have closed minds and think the other religions were either created by Satan, lies, or schizos. Interestingly enough, there have been Catholic philosophers, such as saint Augustine, who acknowledged there was spiritual truth in other religions besides Christianity. I personally look at religion in a general sense as a mystery and don’t claim to have enough justification to say I have knowledge of the one true God or religion. Beliefs can turn out to be true in the end, but in order for it to constitute as knowledge it must have justification, which is a complicated issue, but I doubt many intellectually honest people here can claim to have such knowledge when many people of various different religions have paranormal and spiritual experiences of their own.

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i very much agree with all that. There are myriad writings on the ancient/ageless wisdom/perennial philosophy - whatever you wish to call it, from which all religions have sprung.

i see all religions/systems as ‘fingers pointing to the moon’ - we exist in a World of form - everything here is a form, the truth is beyond words, belief, form, idea, concept & mind.

i’m open to consider any religious/spiritual writing - but i don’t personally identify with any one religion/system - they all have a grain of truth.

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I am a bit familiar with the Hindu faith. In the Hindu faith we are to aspire to attaining the personality of the lord Krishna and yes there are similarities with that faith and the Christian faith. It boils down to the belief that we can become like God but we will never be God Almighty. It’s like you would not want anyone to be you, because no body can be you except you, but you would like others to be of like mind.

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I never wanted to be Jesus. It’s not my ambition to be crucified.

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Can the truth be possessed & explained?

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When it comes to the ultimate truth - the ultimate reality of which everything is contingent on, which some theists such as Hindus would call the Absolute, I don’t think in this life we will know it. If there is an afterlife, we may eventually know it. For instance, in Christianity it is prophesied the mystery of God and the Divine plan will be known in end times. So there is a certain realm of possibility; however, if there is no afterlife, we won’t ever get the chance to know it, but maybe transhumans will figure it out, or at least come close. A physical being will always be limited to finite knowledge.

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In Buddhism it is taught that you must create a distorted reflection of the world to make its key parts more prominent, which is the purpose of all ideologies. For instance, imagine having to memorize every grain of sand at the shores of every beach. The world is too much to comprehend in all its parts, nonetheless all at once as a whole.

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I’ve had several experiences of being a messiah, anti-Christ, a Buddha. Like you @Apotheosis, I was raised with Christianity. The mystical aspects, the near impossible coincidences, hallucinations and other strange phenomena have left me searching for my own brand of spirituality.

Unfortunately, my last bout of this I had to experience in solitary confinement incarcerated. To top it off, I was released on Halloween. It left me with a bad case of ptsd and broken teeth. Crucified right?

I can still only deduce that this form of psychosis is on a completely different level. It has led me down a rabbit hole that seems to be infinite.

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I think a lot of us would be better off if they viewed the beings they are in telepathic contact with as aliens and viewed the altered states of consciousness they can create as mind control, achieved through remotely, mechanically manipulating the human brain to influence consciousness like it were software on a computer. Let go of the metaphysical/spiritual stuff, which can’t be tested, and just stick with what can be ascertained with a certain degree of certainty.

1 It constitutes as telepathy and mind control by modern understanding.
2 They are most likely not human, as the phenomenon predates modern technology.

As they say, keep it simple stupid.

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Am sorry to hear of your struggles animalchin. Since maintaining a low dose of medication & sobriety i have been largely very stable for the past 10 years - & have been able to read, research & explore a lot of areas. There have been difficulties, but nothing like how things were - that does all seem like a previous life.

imo this life is a mystery, there are no answers, especially at a mind level. My main practise is allowance of what is & non identification with mind.