The authors had a good idea and made a good effort, but the conclusion is basically mixed, saying there are âtangled rootsâ of inner speech and voices and delusions. The symptoms I experience are quite puzzling and elude simple explanation. I donât think there is an adequate explanation for them yet.
"The tangled roots of inner speech,voices and delusions "
- The right statement âthe wrong tangled description and explanation by the name of science for the greatest bilateral communication between two different types of higher psychic entitiesâ
The scientific understanding to the main facts data of the schizophrenic process through using delusional/fabricated words,sentences and expressions
In sums, in the case if you have using the current words, terms, meanings and concepts to understanding the inner logic of the sz condition like "hallucinations,psychosis,mental disorder,cognitive dysfunction ,symptoms,positive /negative symptoms,patient , chronic brain disease ,diagnosis,treatment,recovery,medication,hearing voices,inner speech,auditory verbal hallucinations, visual hallucinationsâŚetc you will not know real things facts and you will fail to achieve actual explain or understanding for everything/anything related the health condition which be called "schizophrenia ",and all your theoretical conclusions about anything related Sz is wrong from all aspects
The human beings are unable forever to understanding the higher truth of the schizophrenic process mechanisms while they insist to using these invented terms ,they are not eyewitnesses/ ear witnesses in order to diagnosis/know the Bilateral communication process (exchange the information between 2 different living entities - one as host/ other as parasite
For your information,the inner speech that you talking about wrongly is in reality the specific mechanism to coding and decoding the implied content of the current higher mental knowledge processes in order to modify the personal culture of the host (person with sz), and printing the modified concept in the host memory to has becomes a natural part from the self- knowledge
(information be acquired for the host by the action of the bilateral communication )
is this like subvocal speech?
In order to know the real facts of sz ,at first tell me the lingual meaning of the term âhallucinateâ in the common dictionary.
What is the characteristics of things âsymptomsâ that can be diagnosing by your personal observations on individual with sz ,and the indication to using the term âhallucinationsâ to naming these characteristics?
-what is the thing itself,the meaning,and the indication to use term âhallucinationsâ?
-You will discover that,you cannot diagnosis the things be called hallucinations by your observations,just you have diagnosis the speech content of the person with sz,and optionally you have going to dividing the speech content into many different symptoms as you want (paranoia,false believes,unusual belief,negative/positive symptoms, cognitive dysfunctions,language disorderâŚetc ),it is speech dissection âanatomyâ to many parts optionally !
It is wrong to use the term âinner speechâ or voices to describe the event.Why ?
1-The thought is inner process,and the thoughts is the inner product
-any inner process must be naming by term thought "thinking,perception,rationalization " ,and all products must be naming by term thoughts âideas/notionâ
- Speech process is a message expression to the external audience
-There is no any inner speech process or inner words product at all
2- The speech process reflecting thought, the lingual words reflecting the thoughts ,so that the thought is the root of speech process and words(pronounced or written )
3- In principle,the correct term must be using " roots of inner thought "
4- the human being using the inner thought process and thoughts to making a single dialogue/discussion with himself (inner dialogue),and in most cases he does not using the speech process or the pronounced words,he is the speaker and the listener during the inner dialogue
5- But in the case of schizophrenia,the thoughts has emanate in the conscious mind as if they are spoken words (uttered thoughts)
6- Therefore,the whole address must be like " Roots of inner spoken thought" or "roots of inner uttered thoughts "
7- the physical characteristics of word âvoicesâ related the speech process towards the external audience And irrelevant the inner spoken thought process towards oneself,because the thoughts have running in the conscious mind as an implied signs not as a voice message/spoken message
There is no any voices material in the issue ,but there is a spoken thoughts which is different in raw material characteristics / the lingual function about all types of physical voices that you know or hear in your natural world,it is unexampled
It is important to distinguishing between the effect (interaction) of spoken speech and spoken thoughts on the hearer perception
The effect of spoken thoughts causing the perception process directly without mental treatment of the hearer,because the conscious mind have receiving understood thoughts ,while
the effect of spoken speech is just a sensory inputs can be understood only if it was treated mentally by the hearer
The classical spoken speech is not understood by its nature,while the spoken thoughts must be understood directly by its nature/or effect,therefore we reject the term âinner speechâ because it is printing wrong information in the minds of readers
Now,we look at the Roots of inner spoken thoughts (the frame or/model)
1- if the person with sz in the case of individual dialogue with himself,listing to the thoughts of his mind,retrospecting his past memories events,imagining the things in his mind as he wantsâŚetc
in sums,he is the speaker and the hearer and there is no any other interlocutor
2- If the person with sz in the case of bilateral dialogue with other interlocutor ,whereas each one of both is independent interlocutor ?âthis is unexpected and unexampled
How you can imagine a bilateral dialogue between 2 interlocutors to exchange the information / cognitive messages Using the thoughts ? one of them is human being and the other is not !
I hate calling them voices. I think of them as spirits, good and evil. There are more evil than good because these spirits hurt me. They tell me to kill myself and other mean things. I believe they make me think things that arenât true as they try to hurt me more. They make me see things also. I have to blame evil spirits for my symptoms as I canât believe I just made everything up in my mind. I canât believe that I would hurt myself that much.
I guess schizophrenia could be considered a linguistic disease. Meaning it really only exists within language. The whole western culture and our social programming is a house of cards.
Its like reading a book all the time but the speech interpret daily things. A good bye can turn into me having done something good. Double thoughts? More like a million thoughts. I have read that one can become addicted to thinking.
Is not everything made of language though? What im getting at is we are beings that are commanded by language and i may have used the word disease but it doesnt mean i have the typical view of the word. Whatever the malidy it works within the social construct. And conciousness is just another way of saying perception or awareness. And i agree with you on that. Its a malidy of perception.
I remember when I was like 17 I always talked to myself in the 3rd person in my head. I donât know why, it was basically automatic. Maybe that was the start of my mind getting tangled.
In other words âvoicesâ 
Do you think that might give your voices power by calling them spirits? Like your validating them as actual spirits?
I found if I gave them a platform such as âspiritsâ then they would try to build trust off of that
I really believe they are spirits, that people with schizophrenia can hear spirits.
I see you as a someone who have a clear vision about the tangled nature of the schizophrenia.
Inside yourself you have the information and full ability to putting a correct model for the schizophrenia by your language !
Although the ENG. is not my mother language,but i find that most common words,sentences ,descriptive expressions and medical terms which be using to writing or talking about SZ are not corresponding with the actual data of the sz condition.
Using the common words,meanings , classical concepts and medical terms have giving a Wrong notions/ Wrong Impressions about the actual reality of the health condition be called schizophrenia.
Many times I was said, the meaning of current medical terms which related Sz are different/contrary to the actual realisties,but no one of you was interesting with what I said .
In sums,most current terms make the public readers understanding the truth of sz condition wrongly because the classical meaning of the common words causing fabricated impressions in the mind of reader.
If you have seek to write a report about the basic data of Sz using the common words and the current medical terms like "schizophrenia,hallucination,voices,hear,auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations ,see,symptoms, positive symptoms/negative ,disease,illness,disorder, genetic disease,mental illness ,patient,treatment,recoveryâŚetc YOU will completely fail
This is not a personal view at all,because the Sz is an independent health condition,it is not a part from the human diseases category,it is Worses about what is a disease or illness.
Just,the aspects of similarity between the schizophrenia and the disease is that: both of them causing a symptoms of changes/disorders
I.E the effect of sz on the human nature causing a symptoms of changes/disorders
I.E if you think that there is a health condition be calling a âdiseaseâ and anther be calling an âillnessâ,you will add for that third health condition be called "schizophrenia "
So that,in the nature.there are 3 different health conditions,the disease,the illness and the schizophrenia . i e the term âschizophreniaâ is just a name like a âdiseaseâ and "illness ",whereas each one of them is independent health condition
NOTICE that,most of you saying ; schizophrenia is chronic brain Disease,genetic disease or mental illnessâŚetc ,and this is the features of the cognitive insufficiency /or the failure reading for the data of nature ,because sz is independent about the disease or the illness and it is not a products of both -it is different issue
âI always talked to myself in the 3rd person in my headâ
1- I am a person with schizophrenia is correct expression than you say " I have schizophrenia " or âI was developed schizophreniaâ
-because,the sz condition itself is not an Inherited Part from your body or/ self
-It is a New living health condition be emanated suddenly in the end second decade of life (for you).it is a new higher condition be add forcibly to your psychological component,and it is acts and behave as an antagonist to your will orientations
-In principle,the schizophrenia condition is like the living psychic existence ,not like a symptoms of disease or illness or else
-because sz is a living health condition,it have the full ability to expresses about its personality/ existence by using the language and all expressive tools (like the human beings ) ,it is using the spoken thoughts (the voices in your knowing) to expresses about its personality/existence and its effect on your personal property (personal belongings/personal effects/personal pronoun/ culture/beliefs âŚetc) ,therefore permanent symptoms of sz are related the personality/cognitive side
Schizophrenia condition is like alive yourself ,but Sz is not yourself nor an inherited part from yourself/body, it is independent in everything/anything (not a part from your personal property)
-the inner mechanism process that you can use to talking to yourself (individual dialogue) is the same mechanism to Hear the Voices forcibly, whereas in normal position you have using the thoughts (not the spoken voices) to talking with yourself, you ask the question and receive answer
the same thing in sz,when you hear the voices,you will hear the voices as a spoken thoughts (question or/answer),because the sz condition have express about its personality by the spoken thoughts in the case of the question or answer //bilateral dialogue
In common words,you can speak to sz and hear its answer and vice versa look like the way that you can use to speak to yourself or hear its answer about your question -the same mechanism
because sz health condition exists internally beside your self component in your head/body not outside the organic body ,that is regardless the sz condition is not yourself at all - it is different person(s)
-Simply,you cannot hear understood voices have coming from a symptoms of disease (if you know something contrary- you can show us an example)
- the symptoms of disease cannot expresses about its condition by the lingual expressions
The thoughts is the internal language,which can be using to make a bilateral communication between the Self and both of psychological component and the sensual perception areas in the organic side of the brain (interplay language),it is the inner dialogue
the thoughts is the thinking language (it is not spoken )
while the spoken/written language is the communication language with others
The thought antedate the linguistic speech and causing it
the linguistic thought preceding the spoken language
Therefore,everything made by the linguistic thought ,whether to make contact with oneself or to make communication with others.
The thought process is the way to made the mental concept (idea) and the language is the raw material to synthesis the concept (the linguistic template)
We ca say,schizophrenia condition seems as a X-cause to developing an unexpected changes in the linguistic thought and in the logical thought ( both of the mean and the subject )
The expression about the thoughts by the spoken language