The hallucinations are pretend. Do you agree?
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They might as well be, since you canât corroborate the hallucinations with anyone, not even the people you hear them from.
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No, I donât agree. To pretend means you are making it up on purpose, like you are fantasizing. I donât make up hallucinations. They are just there when they are there. And usually not under our control except through distraction.
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Yes. Their ability to seem real during conversations with them is uncanny though. Sometimes what they say is something I just thought, and Iâm like, okay it said that because I thought it. Other times its out of the blue, and I equate that to hearing people speak in a dream. But they are never intelligent enough for me to consider them real, I test them sometimes with random questions and they say nonsense and repeat old lines. Or theyâll accuse me of doing something I never did.
They are most definitely pretend. Coming to terms with that was hard but it helped a great deal with how well I got along with my family. Took me out of my pretend world.
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Great post! It seems that many szâs get along better with people when they realize they (their brains) were pretending, so it would be apparent that in order to increase the number of improved szâs, we would need to define what is pretend from what is not pretend. How would you put that definition if you were the one to help improve szâs outcomes?
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Let me break what you said down for you, and then tell me if you see anything differently.
First, logic is simple in nature. It is always a thing and a description of what that thing is being or what it is doing. So there is no thing without a description, and there is no description without a thing being described. For instance you wouldnât have just red and nothing that is red, and you wouldnât just have a car, and nothing about that car, or it would be invisible thus not a car at all.
In information language we call it the subject and the predicate. In this though it is different than in nature. You can have fallacies that are illogical. The mind is information. Information represents what it is not, and it can represent other informationâŚthat it is not. Because we are our brainâs information or our brainâs grammar, we are prone to illogical fallacies by designâŚmentally.
Okay, so you said, âTo pretend means you are making it up on purposeâŚâ
Iâll break down the definition only which was âyou are making it up on purpose.â âYouâ is the subject, and âare making it up on purposeâ is the predicate that describes the subject.
Here is the contradiction or contradictory fallacy in your definition of pretend. You are defining your brain as other than yours or yourself. You have a split self in that one side of you does things that donât fit you ideologically, and the other side that you consider yourself fit your ideological points of view. But in fact that brain is you, and when it pretends, and you disagree with it, you deny it is you. You deny that what your brain does is yourself, and therefore you have a split self or what is called a bicameral mind or two chambered mind.
The problem with this is that one split self can hurt the other just by implying it, but when you learn and practice the use of the understanding that itâs all from your brain, and therefore it is all you, then there is no more split self where some things are you, and somethings are not you. Itâs all you, and then thereâs no split self to harm the other side of you.
Itâs really just a fallacious assessment of what your brain makes, and many people do this whether sz diagnosed or not because people tend to disregard that everything they sense and know about themselves, other people, and the world is first their brainâs mind as it renders this stuff we call mind. Mind is simply symbolic representative grammar rendered by the brain which is learned to be understood over time. It takes time to learn what it all means, and itâs not always completed by people nor done correctly either.
It doesnât matter which part of the mind is ideologically what we will considered being worthy or venerable of being ourselves because itâs all our brainâs mind, and therefore it is all ourselves. Itâs when we try to categorize what is not self and what is self that we split our minds, and the chemical imbalance that results inhibits survival and successes.
The saying, âThe unexamined mind is not worth living.â Anyone interested in completing their mind examination should research the Trivium online. 
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nop. do you have them? or your freand ?
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I know you broke it down but your going to have to put it simpler cause i dont understand still on what your definition of pretend is in this context. Like your mind is making the hallucinations up Or a person is lieing when they say they hear or see things? . Theres plenty of people living off of ssi and ssdi that probably dont need it cause they technically cant prove their lieing 
but also for people that are telling the truth about hallucinations your brains not really pretending as much as it is really going insane. Break down what pretend hallucinations are for me playa? Cause im trying to see your pov.
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Iâm sorry @DMAdataANDmoodanalysis, either youâre not making any sense, or more likely, Iâm not smart enough to make any sense out of what you say. Iâm sorry.
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Yes, the hallucinations arenât real. I have not hallucinated in this life, but in my past lives I have. I still remember. I think God was trying to make me crazy. I thought I was a prophet like in the bible.
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I tried reading but my attention span is limited. I think theyâre attempting to define the term âpretendâ as a matter of being real (not pretend) or unreal (pretend), not intentional or unintentional. I dunno itâs hard for my brain to parse their entire analysis. THatâs what I pulled out of it. It was a really long-winded way of putting it tho.
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If I told you that there was Santa Claus, and you had never been to earth before, then would you believe me? How about if when you believed, you got gifts too? Maybe yes. I believed this at one time. Was I pretending or not?
For the sake of my explanations here I will say I was pretending.
In other words whenever a brain renders anything mentally that does not represent anything real or true, then thatâs when it is pretending.
The idea that one has to foresee themselves pretending, and then one pretends after foreseeing themselves pretending is not a requirement here at list for this thread and the point Iâm making. 
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My point wasnât focused on whether pretending or âfallacious mental renderingâ was âintentionalâ or not. The point really was whether or not people recognize their brains as themselves or not.
Thereâs a term coined by Daniel Dennet who is a philosopher of the mind/brain of which most philosophers are not. The term is âHeterophrenomology.â This means that someone is assess what the brain/mind is doing externally instead of relying on what the person believes the brain/mind is doing from the inside. This is more reliable in some instances because what is really going on isnât always what it seems like to the actual mind that is in question.
For example people donât recognize their brainsâ as themselves.
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I donât understand about 85% of what they say, but I always enjoy skimming through @DMAdataANDmoodanalysis 's posts. Maybe someday their brains will rub off on mine.
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If these hallucinations are pretend then Iâm pretending to be scared all of the time and I pretend to freak out.
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I feel you bro but alot of people cant understand that there hallucinations and delusions arent pretend because we all see reality for the most part as the same perception like the sky is blue and there are species here besides animals. I feel Its not as much pretending as its ones perception of there reality. Like most of us can agree that flavor flav is not the most hansom man but in certain peoples perception they might think âdamn i got to get me some of that brothaâ but i definately know what your saying now
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If someone broke their leg with a Hairline fracture but had no physical findings with pain, is their pain real? There are no signs to indicate it by meets the eye. The effect is still there. Does the cause even matter at that point. The person wants the pain alleviated. If a person has a brain that makes wrong reality connections does the cause matter or just the effect the feeling matter.
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I have thought broadcasting telepathy delusion and canât not stop believing itâs true.
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Thought broadcasting sucks.
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If you donât mind sharing your mind space with what I write to you, I invite you to PM me about these things. Over the course of a few weeks or months you could learn more than you can imagine youâd ever know.
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