Can bad LSD cause chronic psychosis?
From what I’ve read marijuana is far worse that LSD. I was surprised that LSD was so much less destructive than marijuana. Not sure what bad LSD is as I think it’s all bad.
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well Ive done a lot of both, but bad LSD causes the user to experience a terrifying trip that in a lot of ways is similar to what it feels like being psychotic.
As for pot I smoked so much of it that my brain still doesnt know the difference between being high and reality. I don’t think I gave myself a chance to develop properly which is why I cannot handle stress and have psychotic breaks.
I personally wonder sometimes if bad acid played a role in this because it feels like a bad drug experience
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Severe bad trips can traumatize you, and it is possible to have flashbacks to a bad trip, just like it’s possible to have flashbacks to other types of trauma. The exact workings in the brain between a flashback, schizophrenic episode and psychedelic drug all differ in some ways, but the subjective experience can be very much the same.
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but can bad LSD damage the wiring of the brain causing permanent psychotic symptoms. This counselor in my IOP told a story about how a group of her high school classmates got their hands on some bad acid and all got sick. It turns out that it wasn’t acid after all but an experimental drug that was developed to cause psychosis. Does this type of drug exist? how would she know that?
LSD is the closed they can recreate Schizophrenia so use LSD in sz reach with rats. Presume the brain chemistries different if you have sz already so can’t be good either way.
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I used LSD and other hallucinogenic drugs heavily, as in multiple times a week for months on end, in my early teen years and didn’t have my first psychotic episode until almost 20 years later. I think the idea that LSD can cause schizophrenia is a scare tactic personally.
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my pdoc explained to me when I was thinking I caused my schizophrenia because of LSD use and pot use and he said, “it will ascerbate or speed up when you finally get schizophrenia but it DOES NOT CAUSE schizophrenia.”
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thats what they used to tell me but then I had this one dr tell me that I had to forgive myself. Not one single person in my family has ever had psychosis except me. The only difference, heavy drug use in my teens and twenties.
I really don’t think I would have gotten this if I hadn’t pushed my mind to the limits
Then the question is kind of… like there seem to be two questions. The first being can LSD damage the brain, and the second being can an unknown chemical damage the brain. If it was an unknown chemical, then there is the possibility of damage to the brain, since some chemicals can do that, and we don’t know what the chemical was.
As far as LSD itself, my understanding is that it does not damage the brain, BUT it has been shown that psychotic episodes do damage the brain, and LSD causes a psychotic episode. Researchers are still exploring the exact science behind all of it, but given the correlation, there may be a causation. What research has shown is that early treatment in schizophrenia is very important, because the longer schizophrenia goes unmedicated, the worse it gets, which leads to the original theory of psychosis causing damage that makes the illness worse. LSD causes alterations to the nervous system, so while not “damaging” the nervous system, in some cases these “alterations” can become permanent. So it also might be a matter of semantics, as far as how we would define “damage”.
It’s sort of like Russian Roulette. Many people play and don’t have problems. A small number of people who play get metaphorically shot. I had psychosis problems before I ever touched drugs for the first time, and one day I tripped on an entire flush of shrooms and tripped so hard I had an ego death, and it changed nothing in regards to my symptoms. I’m just lucky. You’re just unlucky. And given how many people get lucky, most people don’t know the risks until the risks become reality for them.
If that wasn’t something you were struggling with in the moment (shame, guilt, etc) then that doctor was just a dick for saying that. All people make all sorts of mistakes in their lives, based on not knowing things or just making poor judgement calls. Nobody ever gets shamed for any of it unless something really bad just so happens to result from it. Shame is about feeling like there is something inherently wrong with you, but there is actually nothing wrong with you ethically or judgement-wise that makes you super different from the vast majority of the human species.
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I only had about 15 or 20 trips when I was a teenager before I got sick. After I was diagnosed my instincts told me that LSD would be very, very dangerous to me and taking it would be a very bad gamble for me. And it’s a gamble I would never take. Why take a chance with the remainder of my life just to feel good for 8 hours?
I think lsd primarily effects serotonin, so it shouldn’t cause psychosis. Dopamine is responsible for psychosis.
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just saying that my psychosis is like an extreme version of an LSD trip. The wacky thoughts, and intrusive â– â– â– â– that I experience daily makes me think that I took a few too many hits and blew out my brain
For me psychosis is more like marijuana with the constant paranoia. I’ve never tried lsd but I’ve tried other hallucinogens, my psychosis was still more like weed. I’ve never had an auditory or visual hallucination so maybe that explains it. Aren’t hallucinations on acid sort of trippy and random? I feel like some people on here have very specific well developed hallucinations like people talking to the etc.
It’s not too far fetched that using acid could have opened something up for you I guess, something which eventually was sz.
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you learned how to flag people recently @MrWhite?
don’t let all that power get to your head White, you madman you
I don’t think I’ve ever flagged anyone, so it must be someone else doing the flagging. Why someone flagging your posts?
whats it say “edited” for with a cute little smiley face?
I made a post then decided to delete it.
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