Jordan Peterson on schizophrenia

Is this theory about eyes movement real? I did some research and found that people with schizophrenia can have lower eyes movements instead.

I hate Jordan Peterson. He is a very smart man but you dont want to listen to him. Why would you take advice from a man who thinks that life is suffering?

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You may not, but I do. I’m one of his Youtube subscribers and I own two of his books.

Because in many ways it is.

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I still listen to him because he has very good insights. He makes me more grounded sometimes and helps me embrace my own suffering (instead of trying to avoid it). I like to listen to other people as well.

By the way, I think when JP says life is suffering, he doesn’t mean it’s just suffering. He probably says that because when people try happiness as their goal, they simply suffer more because they can’t accept their own life. But when you accept suffering and don’t expect any outcome, you make things happen.

Edit: but I still didn’t grasp what he means with eyes movements in people with schizophrenia. Maybe he’s talking just when these people hallucinate.

Life has good and bad moments. I appreciate his insight into overcoming the bad moments and learning from them moving forward.

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Yes but I feel he tells you all the terrible things in life that you can do absolutely nothing about. Its not everything he says though I have one of his books myself, just most of it. Above video for example. I suppose if you find that stuff interesting but personally no I think he’s a swamp monster. Want nothing to do with him.

I think Jordan P suffers from ā€˜delusions of insight’. He has depression and delusions of insight are a symptom in severe cases.

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I really like this list of rules:

:blush:

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Awesome post!

I like his program Future Authoring but I still think he should give tools on how to find life’s purpose/meaning (maybe Past Authoring approaches it).

This is a good one. :smiley_cat:

ā€œ35. Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street.ā€

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I know, right?!? I see a kitty and I want to pet it.

:heart:

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I have heard before that people with schizophrenia have abnormal eye tracking. It’s called ā€œsaccadic eye movementsā€ and it is defined as ā€œa rapid irregular movement of the eye as it changes focus moving from one point to another, e.g. while reading.ā€ I have also heard that many normal people have this too, so it cannot be used diagnostically for schizophrenia.
I cannot elicit this form of eye movement sitting here today.
Jordan Peterson also says that schizophrenia is a disorder of voluntary and involuntary processes due to the underlying unconscious protruding through the ego. (He gives the example of fantasies.) It is plausible, but there is a lot more to say. A 1:57 sound clip cannot convince me.

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I’ve never heard of this Jordan Peterson person. I need to stop living under a rock.

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Thank you for the explanation, @Here4You!

I never noticed I could have this kind of eyes movement, even when I was psychotic. Peterson says we have similar eyes movement when we’re dreaming, so it’s an interesting issue to understand better schizophrenia. Carl Jung talks about our dreams as a form to access our unconscious mind.

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He’s famous in US, but maybe not in your country. He’s also very famous among men.

I wish they would develop a machine that measures eye movement and could quantify the changes that occur in schizophrenia. I can’t tell if I have saccadic or smooth eye tracking.

Related?

Me too! This is the first time I have ever heard of him! This website clues me into many things!

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My husband just said I do this very same thing with my eyes. How would I know though unless someone told me that? This is the first time anyone ever told me that I make weird eye movements.

He is in AMAZING shape! Good for him.