Consciousness is an illusion that the brain makes to manage the immense influx of information, the sheer quantity of everything goes far beyond a consistent narrative, and so we have brains which make conscious thought and personalities to cope with so much ■■■■. We are not real. We are just brains in a higher primate body which make the body feel and think and behave as if it is special. We are just matter than thinks it is not just matter. Think of it- I am correct here. Psychosis is when your consciousness is just broken, something or someone (is someone not just something?) broke it. It is when your consciousness does not work, there are leaks from the unconscious into the conscious. The result is that we have these people diagnosed as psychotic who think things at some level and then hear them, they are just hearing their thoughts. I would know- I am a human and I am also diagnosed as psychotic, I majored in clinical psychology with a thesis and summa cum laude, chi beta phi in fact- at a large university.
This is interesting, it feels like I just sort of realized that we are all actually “one with the universe”, but that we have these brains that make us think we are separate and distinct. Think of a mountain of ants in the eyes of a human. They are not separate and distinct, it is just a mountain of ants. It is matter which is animated.
We are the ants.
My voices call me “Major”, which I have two interpretations of; first, they mean the character from the movie Ghost in the Shell, who is a cyborg who has issues with having a consciousness. Second is military rank, which makes no sense. Third is major in college, which also makes less sense, but not zero sense, as I do sort of hold my self-worth to my academic achievement, more like totally do. I think that they call me that because the character they imply was sort of…duty oriented…pretty badass…and had serious philosophical angst.
How cool, I thought some thoughts and did a think, I wrote it down.
@Azley@flybottle you philosophers with stones, get in on this pondering
I agree to being flooded by stimulation and how intimidating that can be. We have to sort out what we want to look for or hear. I hated going into a new store even though it could have been called exciting by someone else. But I did go into it, found what I wanted and made a rather hasty, non-curious exit. I will spend more time looking around the next time I go to that store simply because it is no longer a stranger.
If you “think” you “figured” it out though, aren’t you saying that you’re still in doubt?
If consciousness itself is the state of being aware and you’re saying it’s an illusion, then all of the following in your statement after that might as well also not be true? Since it was only conceived of by consciousness itself?
Then even the “influx of information” is also an illusion?
Anyway, Major, these are some great thoughts! I think the theory on “psychosis” is solid though for the most part.
edit note: looking at the several definitions of ‘consciousness’ and there’s quite a lot to be said on that apart from just being aware
Why should it be a matter of one over the other and not the two being equally dependent? Since it just may be that without an experiential basis consciousness has no function? That one came from the other?
What’s a personal wish do in regards to Truth, which is defined as something real, which is something that ultimately defines everything as fact?
@Rhubot I am doing fine- been working on sorting out what became a mess while I was on the wrong meds. This is actually quite normal philosophical talk- consciousness has been the topic of many intellectual conversations for some spheres of individual minds for quite some time.
This is dank ■■■■, this is like on the level of the Chalmer’s hard problem of consciousness.
For good measure, I spoke with the pdoc today and the therapist yesterday, and I am officially doing and feeling and also thinking BETTER. Now philosophy can sound delusional, but this is kosher philosophy, it is an official thing in the field which students write dissertations and theses on. No getting sicker- I am quite well…in relativity.
it can’t be proven either way because was made inherently disprovable but valid by the faith principle.
I know the truth is that consciousness exists within the brain as a byproduct of the brains structure… I just know most are revolted to see it that way
You put philosopher and stone together…I thought you 3 had figured out the key to immortality and transmutation… Transmogrification… Whichever means turning stuff to gold…
We are vibrations that require the flesh as a medium to reverberate within… Sound requires air…most vibrations require some medium to function within…minus light and maybe a few others but that’s a pure vibration simple fast and beautiful… Lol philosophy is fun…just don’t get tunnel vision and solely focus upon it…
I thought this might relate, it is an excerpt from my work in progress book, “Is my Reality Real?”:
"…The accuracy of perception is not what is important. What is important is that the response made is appropriate for the circumstances. The purpose of awareness and consciousness is to inform action. Our consciousness is permanently endeavoring to build an internal representation of external reality. This representation isn’t an image of the world around us. It is more like a scientific hypothesis. A collection of guesses from multiple partial facts and probabilities, but which is good enough to glean essential information and allow reasonable predictions to be made. We build and abandon these hypotheses all the time. The amalgam of guesses is all the reality we ever experience. So we tend to see it as normal, even though it may be incomplete or contradictory. It can omit details, or mis-interpret one thing for another, but as long as the actions we take are appropriate, none of that matters. Our reactions depend a lot on the state and condition of a person’s consciousness at any given time. Generally consciousness works at a level that suits the person in order to adapt and deal with his environment effectively. But we’ve evolved to take so many conscious ‘shortcuts’ that we’re heavily prone to see patterns where there are none. We’re also very susceptible to suggestion and expectation, and we’re also very easily deceived into perceiving false realities - very easily indeed. The important thing is being aware of our tendencies and blind spots because a firm grasp on reality is important to our success as a species, and the truth is, we can be equally as bad at interpreting reality as we are good at it. But does this mean that our personal interpretations are false and our personal reality is incorrect in some form?
Our perception of reality is completely subjective. The concept seems more and more valid, especially with the findings of quantum mechanics, that subjective reality is the truth, and objective reality is an illusion. If subjective reality is the truth, then our perception of reality is 100% accurate, and we may have to reevaluate theories pertaining to “psychotic” experiences. If instead we are talking about how much do we perceive the same, “objective reality,” then we are faced with many problems with narrowing down a measurement of any kind. Our own perception of the objective world is shaped by our personal experiences within the world, thus making it, in part, subjective if reality is also shaped by our state of consciousness. "
I go on about consciousness relating to reality and whether reality can truly be objective at all, considering the subjective reality in which we live and perceive the world…
i have much more if anybody cares to hear my theories.
While you may be of sound mind and simply having a philosophical conversation, I am delusional. Despite the fact that these thoughts first came to me in a delusional state, I now firmly believe them. All of us, living and dead are part of one great consciousness (Collective Consciousness) and it is our human brains which disrupt the purest connection to all that is logical, rational, mature and loving. Love is, in fact, very logical. Anyway, I believe I have an extra special connection to this Collective Consciousness but I am being ‘blocked’ from the great gift that entails. I believe people can enhance their connection to Collective Consciousness through brain training and meditation. I need to meditate more. can’t be a bad thing.
“Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration - that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There’s no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we’re the imagination of ourselves.”
“This is where we are now right now, as a whole. No one is left out of the loop. We are experiencing a reality based on a thin veneer of lies and illusion. A world where greed is our God and wisdom is sin, where division is key, and unity is fantasy, where the ego-driven cleverness of the mind is praised, rather than the intelligence of the heart.”