God after a schizophrenic breakdown

Concept of God after a schizophrenic breakdown.

Hello dear Forum,

first of all i appreciate your responses. it has always helped me cope with reality in the past.

My concern is that this last year after having had some very emotional experiences with my christian faith i had an all of a sudden schizophrenic breakdown. Following a half a year treatment in the hospital with my faith robbed i started to hear voice(s) which revealed me the nature of the universe. Apart from knowing my every secret thought and reacting to my thoughts through fellow patients (they would talk on related topics that were on my mind secretly) made me strongly believe that god is in control of every human being and that we do not have any free will. the voices also revealed to me that our lives are determined by destiny which is ultimately gods will. these concepts have a very different meaning to christianity where we all have our own free will and without a determined destiny the world unfolds on itself. the voices also reassured me that everyone will go to heaven and that there is no hell since it doesnt make any sense if everything is gods will. The voices also told me that they are not Jesus.

So my question is: Am i just delusional? Are these some sort of demons that have possessed me? The voices have become less and less hearable for me and i hope they will go away altogether so i can live a life on my own. It saddens me that ive lost my christian faith from this experience because it fullfilled my life. What should i do to regain my faith? or should i embrace these new viewpoints as the ultimate reality? is it compatable with any known faith out there in the world?

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In John Milton’s “Paradise Lost” God grants humanity free will, and yet he knows that Adam and Eve will eat from the tree of knowledge and humanity will fall because God is omniscient, and he sees the past, present, and future all at once. God granted humanity free will and made them sufficient to withstand temptation, and yet they still fall. I don’t necessarily follow Christian dogma. I do believe in God, just not the Christian version of him, but maybe this will help you understand free will and faith.

its very hard for me to believe in free will since the voices have predicted the future for me. and some of it actually came to pass. this made me question “free will”, a concept i never really could understand with all the determenism we have going on in our daily lives, even more. the voices told me id get a girlfriend eventually and i ■■■■■■■ hope they are right but i just have to wait and see how much of it is pure ■■■■■■■■.

I hope he’s alright. With the right medication he should be back on his feet and running the world again in no time.

I can’t say I’m surprised though, I always thought there was something funny about that guy.

First to set some things straight, some big churches are running more like an anti-christ network – it is dirty businessman who calls the shots for all the church members, some of whom turned to the church to have psychosis stop. Some people are thrown out by these churches after healing circus show, wallet checked and dumped back on the street only to be harassed by more people from the church who will hunt someone down for 5+ years, even at work. Groups of church parishioners ganging up on unwanted church member to humiliatingly thrown out unwanted person is called ‘mobbing’. This is pulled most often by pentacostal and huge non-denominational churches…If this EVER happens to you, keep quiet and just leave the church without incident and you will remain okay. This is called ‘grace’ by denominational churches.

Okay, traditional denominational churches just submit to whatever the town’s wealthy thugs may be pulling while city churches may have fewer thugs working it there, depending on community. Pentacostal/evangelical churches do send out their members to cause stalk/preach stalk some people in community to try to drag people in for a healing or shame people on disability payments for mental care is latest initiative in my community. Some of these folks in my community are so nuts about Gawd’s orders, they will trash their employer or coworkers. Some people see the Christian anti-christ networks as the weak, sniveling little s–its in the community even but it can be MUCH worse as some of the middle aged men in my city will ruin a woman’s employment to get a relationship, screw people to make business opportunities…

I REALLY recommend you only try churches where you know members pretty well to avoid mistakes. My city has nice list of troublesome churches on topix.com for the city…

Now, some of the pentacostals who do hear the voices and consider it a normal part of life just pray at night and they will hear a response. You need to know, some of the anti-christ kind of business networks where you REALLY never know anything about the ethics of whatever you are being told to do will hear something first thing in morning and late at night if you are being asked to do anything later in day to stalk someone, harass another, mess up something at work, try to get a date at specific place…I let you judge this for yourself. I REFUSE to get involved with this as I had a nervous break after meeting wealthy group of sex abusers and lady was just scaring people silly, people started to hear the voices and then she let her sex abuser try to use people. MY CITY’S PEOPLE IGNORE WHAT THEY HEAR IN THE VOICES IF THEY MET THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE as God’s voice called out to children in my community from 1970s and resulted in some kids being called away to be molested. Cops did not care at time & kids had to just know to ignore it & tell visiting friends to stay with the group so they won’t be hurt.

Little more bad news, some of the city people talk about Jesus and then screw someone bad. I recommend excusing yourself immediately if this even happened as it resulted in a coworker being fired from her new job she took to divorce an abusive husband and boss told her if she dated him, he would get her the job back. They were married 15 years. This is crap some people will pull, especially middle aged men.

I used to believe in Christian faith until my own break. I don’t pray any longer, it makes me feel cheapened due to voices I hear. Prayer used to calm me down. I never had a voice answer before the nervous break. My boyfriend, a pastor’s son, had voices deliver religious content for a while…I met something wrong so I hear something else which is how this is introduced in my neighborhood if you met the sex abusers. I have also worked for a couple churches and is hardest job I ever had to work in such a contradictory and misused place as the unethical demands of a lot of the voices floated through the church and some parishioners would harm another who was busting her butt to serve them. This happened to other parishioners who had joined the church as the town’s thugs introduced themselves to new people, sometimes scaring new people away…

I would not chose the faith where I needed to listen to the voices. I also had another group of people use the voices to talk to me and I refused to join their network of slaves and listen to voices in morning/evening and follow orders to serve them. So, what’s left?

Religious study of Christianity just demands following orders from God. Secondly, evangelical christians do state forgiveness of sins is required for belief in Jesus. As nothing done to another person by a ‘Jesus’ statement would be as bad as God would do to the person for disobedience. Some are locked into obedience of church principles or they face retaliation from psychosis symptoms & physical discomfort for not following orders from voices without thought of self will, own safety. Other possibility is FREE-WILL. If you NEVER get involved in this mess, you will be free to choose not to follow orders from the voices and psychosis does eventually ease. If you choose to do the right thing, strongly adhere to this principle and TRY TO NEVER GET INVOLVED IN FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM VOICES OR SERVING ANOTHER GROUP OF WEALTHY PEOPLE. Karma serves you and you will probably not be mistreated except verbal assaults by some Evangelicals who have no clue about any truths anyway, just told to bother someone by verbal harassment for unknown reasons. Some of the Christians will let another family member fall into mental care and torture the person with thought broadcasting because their churches are requiring this treatment of persons who do not attend church, especially some black churches. Many Christians choose to let harm befall a family member and allow the person to slip into confusion due to mental care, I appose this. But, I this unacceptable to allow harm to your family to please anti-christ… Most of the Christians just snivel sometimes and think it fun to play this bad joke, even knowing how one should handle start of voices or nervous breakdown overloads…Sometimes the voices give demands to harm someone even, you know this is wrong.

My boyfriend has a HUGE stress tolerance and big heart, even in jail dealing with a lot of mentally ill inmates and people who challenge another as a form of entertainment. He treats everyone with respect and gets to know all who come into his life and want to share…You may not find this kindness in most church people even, just people who want to use you and your wallet to serve their social club and maybe dirty business needs (forcing your compliance with mishaps in your own life)…He heard the voices for a little while in form of calming angels, then never heard it again much as he is told he was supposed to say he did not hear the voices any more so the staff at mental hospital would not treat him as a schizo-opportunity. He sometimes knows what I’m thinking or answer to complex question, but does not make anything of hearing the voices a little bit probably…It is almost normal for a lot of people to hear the voices a little…He doesn’t mistreat anyone or seem to follow orders.

I find study of the religious materials & writings of some insightful people to be pleasing. I also find it appealing to meet people of like opinion and study materials or share personal experiences in a group. According to the bible, this is considered a religious service when two or more people meet to study. Some have moved their churches out of the unethical and troubled surroundings of ‘church’ and into their own homes with like minded people in their communities, sometimes sharing online to meet more people of like values. Many have taken their children out of the troubled and contradictory schools and raised their children in homeschooling to limit their exposure to ‘churches’ while other families chose to raise their children in ‘churches’ so they would be allowed to work/live without persecution from the city’s anti-christ business networks. These families follow orders from voices like slaves…I think there is a nice middle ground with children informed of the ways of the wrong, but left passive and silent when a part-time psychotic is trying to say something in their presence. But an adult needs to make the decision on handling of the wrong eventually as nothing okay will look up a child to make a communication attempt by thought broadcasting, except when another family member is considered schizophrenic and child is being told to verbally harass their mentally ill family/neighbor…If you do not talk back to the thought broadcasters, most are still considered well prepared to work in professional job. I see no need to answer any of the thought broadcasters in my community of 500k because most of the sex abuser’s victims left the community, what is left is a misinformed group of religious thugs who harass newer victims who needed a little financial help following nervous breakdown/mental care approach. I only ask questions if I am approached by a thought broadcaster at work. BUT, THIS HAS PLACED ME IN POSITION OF HOUSING DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE MOST OF THE UNDER 30 PEOPLE WILL ACT UP IF THEY ARE PLACED NEAR A SCHIZOPHRENIC IN APARTMENT SITUATION SHARING WALLS. THE LANDLORDS ARE RIPPING PEOPLE OFF WITH THIS, renting out uninhabitable places due to tolerance of nut cases instead of lightly psychotic professionals. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU SEEK HOUSING WHERE YOU DON’T SHARE WALLS WITH OTHERS LIKE DETACHED HOUSE OR ONLY CAREFULLY SELECTED NEIGHBORS IN A DUPLEX.

Sadly, if you move to a new community, many of the church people or people in a questionable community will remain silent about the town’s threats and just allow the thugs to use new ones as they wished or entertain with it…You know what to expect out of another person now, anything…

Hope this helps.

“For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” – Romans 12:3

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When I start hearing angels and demons I am delusional. That’s one of my warning signs I have to keep an eye open for and call my pdoc who then adjusts my medication. I have no faith like you. I don’t call my self christian, muslim or hindu. I believe in spirits and nature but not in a god.

When I feel fully connected to the world around me I am about to get a psychotic break. Trial and error has learned me that.

But it is hard to accept it’s the brain doing misfires because it’s all so real.

You can find your faith again. Just search your heart. Believe what your heart tells you is right.

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Who are you talking to here specifically? Im taking meds now for over a year and yes its gotten better but i dont attribute it to the medication really cause if that was the case the mental impact of the meds would be alot greater than they are. im not feeling any difference when taking the meds.

is “that guy” god youre speaking of?

You really really REALLY need to get your meds sorted out. Your head is full of broken glass. :frowning:

Pixel.

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Thanks for the reply. My situation isnt really revolving around church but the inner worldview i was forced to accept and the communication when socializing with people. the voices make me see the things ive mentioned in the day to day life.

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Yes, I was making two inane jokes. I was talking about God in both posts. Look JUST at the title of your post and you will understand my joke. I wasn’t talking about you or anyone else on this site. It’s just that wording on your title can be taken in two ways. Your title makes it sound like God had a schizophrenic breakdown. I mean no offense and no disrespect. Have a nice night.

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interesting quote. what if you have been dealt a big measure of faith? do we define faith as only legit when speaking in the light of the christian belief system?

I usually don’t read posts this long but I admire the effort and time it takes to write so much.

What you are describing makes me think of how the philosopher Baruch Spinoza thought of God and nature. In short, he thought that God is identical to Nature’s laws. He thought everything was determined by these laws - thus by God. But this is not quite the personal God of Christianity. If you are interested you might want to look up his wiki.

I would say these are matters of belief, which haven’t been settled with regards to their truth. And it may very well not be possible to settle such issues. Thus, my view is that you can belief what sounds most appealing to you, or what makes you feel most comfortable. To be sure, there are arguments to support different views, though they might not be conclusive.

I am not sure, but one way to reconcile determinism and free will is to re-consider whether free will is actually what we take it to be. Free will is at odds with determinism only if it interferes in the chain of events causing each other. By the nature of causality, there thus has to be such a thing as an event of willing something, that causes the willed event to happen. If so, one has to be able to notice this act of willing. It is questionable whether such an event really is ever observed in the sense that is required for it to interfere in the causal chain of events. Do you really observe a separate event of willing, distinct and preceding each freely willed action itself?

Every race and culture on this earth will have a “God”. So called civilised cultures capitalise on this tendency within each of us to feel a higher self, and the feeling of a higher being. My God is mine, just for me, and I’m not going to let any crooks exploit him. My God is the person I call on, my God is hope, my God is protection, my God is love. I don’t go to any places or worship. I don’t mind what anyone else believes. But my God is within me and is mine.

do I believe that a power that says wonderful things about us ,inspiring , enlightening things , could that same power say terrible devastating things about us? no I do not , now you can put together an absolute load of jingos as to why thats the case , good evil , god devil , tests of faith , etc , etc . everyone has their own take , my take is this , brains unfortunately just mess up a bit sometimes , no shame in that.

the voices told you that because they are you, so really its you yourself that believes you will eventually get a girlfriend.

I dont think so. these voices are way to “outside” and impersonal to be me. and if the entire idea of destinity/determenism is true it wouldnt be myself anyway who made the girlfriend attracted to me and brought about the circumstances for a relationship. its outside my powers so to speak.

Well its your decision to believe what you want . If the belief is benefiting then that’s fine , but if it Is not then it should be looked at.

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