So lately I believe my “voices” have been forcing me to follow and pursue religious ideals? I recently left the church and it appears they are tryin to drag me back into that direction kicking and screaming. I beleive they, in this case what appears to be God, assure me that im going to hell regardless and they dont care wether I believe in God or not I have to do it…
Since this has been happening I have harldy been able to enjoy anything in life even by my normal sz standards…
A guy showed up during my cross country psychosis, just after seeing a being made of light in a tree, as i looked at her she went “sssshhhhhhh” in my left ear.
He showed up and bought me some dinner and wanted to take me to church, they said in my head “thats our church.”
Demons told me they owned the churches, who else would tell people satan was an angel and that a loving god will torment people forever and ever right?.
Not a bad thing to leave the church in my opinion, church even comes from “kirke”, kirke is an old goddess who wears purple and drinks from a golden cup.
There are other beings, beings that are immortal, spirits, there is a God, but he is probably the most lied about individual on the face of the earth, at this point it would take a miracle to know about him and what he is doing.
No offense kirke, there is no hell, never was and never will be, if anything earth is hell.
nah my voices never said anything about church…religion didn’t have much of a role in my psychosis other than a somewhat pleasant female voice that would command me to convert to Islam. This was the same voice that said “Eat of the fruit for it will sustain you”…who knows what this stuff is man…
I was raised in the Episcopal church, dragged along most sunday mornings to sit and stand, sit…stand and go have snacks in the hall. I’ll still go now and then with my parents, went this morning actually. But I can’t say I’m religious. Never did get the whole Jesus thing but I’m very tolerant and respectful of people’s religious beliefs. God could be anything as far as I see things…or perhaps there is no God. I don’t think it’s for us to really know, not in this life at least.
While some voices can certainly be from God or angels, something that tells you to go to church or else go to hell isn’t from God. church does NOT equate to deliverance from hell…in fact some churches might help you get there faster so to speak!
Now, a voice that gently encouraged you to turn to God on your own, or follow Jesus, or pray for deliverance, those would be more likely to come from God.
And, if you don’t believe in God or have lost faith, God is much more likely to send you signs to show he is there guiding you, and is real…not some damnation type voice.
if there is a god then i think he has forsaken me and my family. quite why he would single us out for special treatment anyway, i don’t know but he doesn’t seem to care a whole lot for life at all…and i find that odd being the supposed benevolent father figure that he is meant to be. i think if believing brings u comfort snow kage then by all means believe but it’s never done me any good tbh. if god created man in his image then god must be a murderer, peadophile and rapist, sadist ■■■■■■■…maybe peadophilia is the price we pay from being descended from adam and eve…after all, in order to produce the rest of the human race there would have had to have been both peadophilea and incest…now what type of god allows that to happen to children i ask u? looks like god made some pretty serious errors of judgement huh. didn’t he turn lot’s wife into a pillar of salt. just for looking over her shoulder? and why would you have to worship him and him only? is he a jealous god then? who here believes in the immaculate conception? come on!! one of my psychiatrists told me that that was an invention by the catholic church, put in to the new testament…who knows, all i do know is, if there is a god then he has forsaken us…as george michael sang, “god can’t come back, for he has no children, to come back for.” and let’s face it, if i was born in iran, it would be the prophet mohammed, born in india, hinduism…we can’t all be right now can we? so whose to say which belief system is the right one? “and the lion shall lay down with the lamb and eat grass?” don’t think that’s going to happen any time soon, do you? but that’s what it says in the good book, after judgement day. the basic premise of doing good in the world i can understand. it’s good for humanity as a whole afterall but thou shalt not worship any false idols? whose to say, which idol is false…you can take that as far as tv and music stars like the brethren do. i went to school with one…no tv, no radio allowed…oh and for some reason, no haircuts…■■■■ knows what that bit was all about but there you go. so who’s right? the brethren, the catholics, the hindus, the muslims, the seikhs, the dalai lama. the buddists, the scientologists, the amish, the episcocal, the jehova’s witnesses…who? i say believe if it brings you comfort. if all it does is bring you discomfort then you should let it go. hope this helps xxxx
i don’t believe in god or the devil, though i chat to a person who is in charge of hell…as far as he is concerned your not on his list…
looks like your headed to heaven…
good on you.
take care
All my religious programming comes up when I am psychotic, this last psychosis was by far the worst, it was as if the book of Revelations was opened up and all the bad parts were mine no mater how much I fought the idea. To be honest I just want to be a good person in pursuit of the truth, I don’t want to push anyone away from their faith or into a faith. I remember what attracted me to christianity and it was forgiveness and love and acceptance. That did more for me than anything else at the time. I had been molested and mostly made an out cast in school. I have no use for religion, it is a burdeon psychopathic and depressing but it is all that fills my head. I never measure up to God of the bible’s idea of what I should be. I have never measured up to what others expect of me. So now I use chemicals to get by and be presentable. I believe I am a shaman without a shaman to teach me how to live as a shaman. this society has no use for me and i have no use for it.
Fear. I read in The Bible something along the lines of the fearful will not make it into heaven. Basically how I had it worked out based on The Bible, i either listen to my voices or go to hell I think. the stuff they were telling me to do either then or in the future if im right were among murder, rape, and self harm. I was unwilling. Besides. My voices had too often cursed, “lied” or done things I found untrustworthy or possibly evil, and I find no way to tell which is God if any so I gave up playing their little games, or whatever they would have me call them.
I have come to the conclusion that schizophrenia can sometimes be a cloak or screen for spiritual awakening, so I would agree that it is a spiritual disease. Discernment is a very difficult thing, and is a process in which most people tear themselves apart. I think it is perhaps not the voices themselves which drive people insane, but the constant dwelling upon where or who they are coming from. I still know nothing about my situation, and I am nothing. All I do know is that these show-Christians who claim that God holds a running conversation with them each day on even the most trivial matters are complete bullshitters. It hasn’t been my experience, even though I know I am going through something that is spiritual. God makes you work, He doesn’t just drop it into your lap. And when He does speak, He uses your own ‘mind-voice’. And it is usually a simple sentence, or even the title of a poem or something, which, when you reference, usually brings help and understanding for you. That is how you can discern the source, in my opinion. God does not tell you to convert to other religions. God does not play games or give carte blanche for murderous acts of medieval barbarism. Those people in IS are simply satisfying their own bloodlust. Many of them are even learning Islam on the plane over to Turkey! They are bullshitters like the show-Christians. I don’t claim to be an expert on all this, it is not a science and it is different for everyone. I still have bad days. I still turn to drink occasionally when it all gets too much. But I have to admit, it is getting easier the more I accept it.
Schizophrenia is not a spiritual disease but a disease that makes a moderate, balanced, sound, useful and loving spiritual life very difficult if not impossible to achieve.
What gets diagnosed as Schizophrenia is sometimes a cloak for a spiritual awakening. I would not call it a disease. the ancients knew how to handle it and would apprentice a person exhibiting signs (today known as symptoms) to the priest, priestess, shaman, prophet, etc.
Occasionally a person was truly ‘mad’ but when it involved visions and voices it was often a spirit manifestation.
Like you said, God makes you work. It takes some mental effort to properly discern and work with these things. In our modern society with its denial of spirit and insistence that people are sick and need pills, the world has become dumb to spiritual things so their system is what has created a disease.
As someone mentioned back in the 1980s…psychology often creates the disease it claims to treat…
It would be really nice if more spiritual people stepped up and helped those who exhibited gifts of seeing and hearing things, and that doctors didnt insist that they were automatically sick and cause them to fear and tremble at the voice and vision… I think most people freak out over these things because they are told they are not normal…but in ancient society it was normal and you would be considered potentially gifted and trained to work with these .
Even mocking and negative voices should be approached as a challenge, like an opponent in a computer game, withstood and defeated. You do not give in or fear things telling you you are no good, mocking you, or telling you to self harm or harm others. thats where you oppose them and turn it around.
I also have not been attending my old episcopal church, for my own reasons. My voices actually want me to become a priest…I was flattered yet I said no. (Ain’t no preacher man …) What type of religious observance are the voices trying to make you commit?
[quote]Schizophrenia is not a spiritual disease but a disease that makes a moderate, balanced, sound, useful and loving spiritual life very difficult if not impossible to achieve.
I think it’s better to leave “God” alone.[/quote]
Then I am truly lost. Because I am exhibiting what some might term classic schizophrenia. Violent mood swings verging on the bi-polar, tactile hallucinations, mental messages that I am not sure are my own, and a mental vision which kicked the whole thing off a year ago. If there is nothing happening here other than my brain going into meltdown then I have no hope. Life is truly over for me. I have just spent five of the worst years of my life on dialysis, and I just can’t face the thought of having to start struggling with another illness. I just can’t do it again.
Bring back the love into your life and tell those beautiful loving things that you were wishing they were here with you…maybe they’ll come tonight? I"ll bring something with waves, too nykia…thx!
It doesn’t matter. I don’t want to cope. I have been ill since birth and spent 44 years coping. If this is another illness I want to die. And I am beginning to realise it is another illness. Look at my posts. I keep contradicting myself. Is that not schizophrenia or bi-polar?