German sentiment to Jews

what is your nationality @anon9798425?

I mean no disrespect. Just trying to understand your thinking. Is it only where you live that makes your nationality?

There’s a similar way of speaking among migrant minorities where I live. 3d, 4th generation migrants referring to themselves by the nationality of their ancestors only. There has been some discussion here to what extent that reflects troublesome integration. Also the display of flags from the countries of ancestors. It is perhaps a bit different in degree from America, since, at least from a European point of view, an American almost always has a fairly recent history of migration. Perhaps ideally, one would start identifying with one’s actual nationality (passport) as soon as one obtains it. But then again, in general migration doesn’t seems to go all that smoothly all too often.

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I’m from Scandinavia. I don’t want to be more specific.

In my opinion it’s where you live and where you’re from. Having parents from e.g. France does not make you French, but if you grew up in France and moved to the US then you’re French and American.

I agree with Tree on this. Being proud of ones heritage is one thing, but identifying with that heritage when you’re 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th generation is a bit too much. I think in the US it has a lot to do with the fact that it’s a young country, and that it will dissipate with time. History moves slow.

On the OP though, I don’t think there’s a problem. Things have evolved since then, I really don’t think it’s an issue.

thanks for responding back - by that reasoning nationality wise I am currently American.

Well, of course, it’s not always so simple since things get complicated in the real world. If you had a reason besides just ancestry to call yourself of my nationality, like for instance you lived here for a period as a child, then I wouldn’t be annoyed or offended if you did.

My father was military and I had dual citizenship when born overseas. When we got back it was changed to US only. But I lived at least 7 maybe 8 years as a child outside US.

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I was not trying to offend, just to understand. My family history is important to me as our our traditions - my gma always told us not to forget our heritage. May has always been a big celebration month for us and Jul 14, and as a child I remember playing with the dreidel as a kid. I hate that parts get lost as our generations go forward. It’s not how she would have wanted it and she always hoped to return home.

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Don’t worry, you didn’t offend me. :slight_smile:

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I’ve told people when asked all my life that I was of German descent…now it turns out I’m most likely Swiss. Either way just because an American has German ancestry doesn’t mean they had relatives even in Germany during WWII. There was a huge wave of German immigration into Philidelphia in the 1700’s that probably never stopped, hence you got the Amish and Mennonite communities.

As for their sentiment during WWII I don’t know, I know German immigrants were persecuted during world war one here, playing german music was declared illegal I’ve heard, and they weren’t even exterminating anyone back then. I know there were figures such as Charles Lindbergh who was impressed by the Nazi military and came back saying we could never defeat them. I don’t know much about it, but have heard who ever was in charge of immigration in the US at the time was an anti-semite and wasn’t a fan of granting the German Jews any asylum.

Afterall, the Eugenics movement that culminated in the hollocaust was not a German invention but something that started here in the US and was actually an influential movement during the 20’s and 30’s.

I was born in England to English parents. I have lived all my life in Scotland - I have a Scottish accent but I still consider myself as English.

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I’m a pretty unusual thing too - Dutch/German ancestry and a Muslim convert. When I go out, people stare at me because they can’t believe a white girl would wear a headscarf lol! its very unusual in South Africa. Most Muslims here are Indian or Indonesian ancestry or maybe African, but not European! :smile:

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they were americans my buddy… no telling what they thought… but I’d imagine there was some sort of disconnect between them and german sentiments in general beyond friend/familial ties…

but uh… german american’s got the ■■■■ out of nazi-land for one reason or another at some point. I mean they didn’t approve of something that was going on there.

We are the land of emigrants and we do it better in all ways… even with the bulk-load of stupidity we harbor… let that be a message about integration in general.

My grandmom is part German heritage and grew up during WWII. She was never anti Semitic or anti black or anti anybody.

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Good for u. You go girl!

I think a large part of it has to do with the racism and xenophobia present in the US. Immigrants who came here were told by Americans that they were inferior, so the reflexive action was to say, “Oh yeah, well ■■■■ you guys. I’m [nationality] and I’m proud.” Then they teach their children that they should be proud of being that nationality, and throw it in the faces of the people trying to shame them for it. And the trend continues.

I’m third generation Syrian American, and after 9/11 I had to deal with a lot of anti-Arab sentiment. I got kicked out of my church youth group because my presence “made the other kids uncomfortable,” and my reflexive reaction was to buy a Syrian flag and display it proudly. My siblings got it much worse than I did, because I’m pale enough to pass for white in most circles. When people all around you are telling you to be ashamed of where your parents or grandparents came from, it’s natural to kick back loudly.

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I am so sorry you went through that. My heart aches for you. I think the problem is that because American is such a mix of ‘looks’ it makes it harder to unify as one nation which is sad.

We were on a trip one time and I heard a young boy talking about your exact scenario. He was so frustrated because people would walk on the other side of the hall at school to stay away from him. It broke my heart and I had to tell him it is only the ignorant that do such things. Not everyone is like that. But that does not help when he goes through that every day. It is another form of bullying that is not addressed and should be.

In every country we lived we never lived in military area because we wanted to be part of the country’s culture so we lived in regular villages. We were always welcomed and simulated into the village. Not so easy in America.

I’m german blood…I love the jews. I consider myself jewish because Jesus is Jewish. I pray to Yeshua instead of Jesus…that’s his jewish name.

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