My impression is that truth is something that is out there, there is some kind of objective universe that we are floating around in. That is as close to faith as I will go. Philosophies and religions are not the truth because they are constructed, you can see this in how they place human experience at the center of the world for example. I also thought that truth would lead to some kind of enlightenment, but it really doesn’t, enlightenment is a spritual (in the sense that it is a psychological experience often associated with philosophy or religion) state of being that is not related to the real world outside but to the world that we create within. It’s a mirage, and interestingly enough, knowing this should be good, because it means I can construct my own inner universe and if I will believe it it will make me happy, as long as I construct it in a good way, but it is impossible to believe in something in that way, which means it is like a magic trick that you know exactly how to do, but you yourself can’t do it.
Sounds like you may very well be the next big new age messiah
You sound sheltered to me, to be honest. Like, what are your thoughts on child sex slavery/trafficking? You know, abducting children to sell them to be raped. Are you honestly gonna try to tell us that such a thing being “bad” is just a matter of “perspective”? I mean if so, then it is what it is, but I think it says more about the person saying so than the world.
I am not sheltered, among other things I have been homeless as a teenager, I have been through ■■■■. I don’t like child sex or slavery one bit. But the offender in these cases usually rationalizes what they are doing. The pedophile believes the children “want it” and the slave owner reasons that without his “guidance” his slaves would be helpless or he just reasons that their suffering weighs less than what he gains on their labor. I am not saying that I do not have morale, just that much of what people are telling themselves, the way they reason is a kind of illusion. It is easy for example to point at the abuse of children as something bad, but when it comes to sweatshops that employ child laborers in the third world people can turn a blind eye.
And you are missing my point… The reason I started this topic was not to debate morale, or to get religious lectures, it was to see if anyone shared my experience.
And frankly it is offensive that you assume to know anything about me based off a statement that you interpreted freely on an internet forum, that says more about you than it does about me.
These are false assumptions on your part, and that’s why you seem sheltered to me. Numerous studies have shown that psychopaths are fully capable of knowing right from wrong, and are fully aware when they hurt people. They just don’t care, as they don’t have empathy.
Well I find you assertions to be offensive.
I think that defining child rape as bad fits reality. If you disagree, then I disagree with you, and wonder how you ever came to such conclusions.
If you can’t handle people disagreeing with you when you make such charged first moves as “does not fit reality” over such concepts, then maybe refrain.
Are you saying that there is anything out there in the real world, not a human, that decides what is good and what is bad?
haha thank you wonderdunk
You talk a lot about different philosophies, but to me it seems like you are comparing them as different facets of truth, is that how you think it is?
But the scientific method clearly states that it never actually achieves truth, only that it approaches truth and not even necessarily in a linear way. Just as evolution can the scientific method be likened to a “drunk walk”.
Yes there is a contemporary notion that wonder and mystery should not be part of the scientific process but in reality scientists tend to be those of us that are most filled with wonder, entranced by the mysteries of the universe, sometimes obsessively so. I think this is a difference between the world of scientists that get very little media attention and the popular view of science in media. I am a scientists and I have met many so I think I am safe when I am saying that most of them have some kind of wonder and awe and also humility when it comes to investigating the mysteries of the world.
Also yes, there is a very real question of what will be the ultimate limit to our knowledge, but the only thing we can be certain of is that we are not there yet. Many years ago we did not know the full spectrum of em-waves but then we found instruments to enhance our senses so that we could observe parts of reality that no man had ever seen. That umwelt, if it is limited by what we can observe, is growing bigger and bigger. We do not know the limits of it, but I agree that it is entirely possible that there is a limit and that it is far from the entire space of possible knowledge. We just wont know that we get there until we do.