No need to convince anyone, soon meat will be outlawed for humanitarian and economical reasons.
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been vegan for just over 2 weeks. I feel more energetic and less energy used in digestion.
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The playwrite George Bernard Shaw once said that eating meat was like ācannibalism with the main course removedā. I suppose thatās a good moral basis for veganism, but I never was big on animal rights. I heard this one animal rights advocate say, āA mouse is the same as a dog as is the same as a boy.ā I have to wonder how far down the hierarchy of animal life she extends that. Are we supposed to take extensive measures to protect the health of mice - like maybe performing operations on them when they have cancer? Are we supposed to protect the health of mosquitos? Iām sorry, but I am not willing to extend my reverence for the life of anything but human beings. Humanity has dominion over the animals.
There are also strong arguments for veganism from a health standpoint. Most of the animals we eat have a lot of cholesterol. Also, I think plant protein breaks down faster in the digestive system, and isnāt as hard to digest as animal protein. Plant protein isnāt as good a quality of protein as animal protein, in that plant protein is usually lacking in all the amino acids that make up high quality protein. A person can remedy that by mixing up different grains and legumes that compliment each other and make a high quality protein when mixed together. I suppose the health arguments for veganism are strong, but Iāll just take my animal protein and exercise to reduce my cholesterol.
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Personally, I eat meat because i feel like its natural. I donāt like the standards animals are kept in, that needs government interference to regulate imo, but just the concept of eating meat, I donāt see a moral problem in it. Keep in mind, any predator would eat you, too. We are animals and I think we arenāt doing anything that doesnāt come natural to animals. Iām against things like killing for sport and killing animals just for fur (well, nowadays, since we have alternatives, way back before modern times I guess that would be okay though since animal pelts would be a necessity) because, the way I look at it, other animals donāt do that, so we shouldnāt either. Itās not necessary to our existence and it seems unnatural to meāUnnatural is okay, imo, if it doesnāt harm and/or is necessary, but killing for sport and for fur harms a living thing without good reason. I do have some limits though, being that I obviously wouldnāt eat anything still living (that sounds like a no brainer, but have you seen the video of the girl eating the still live frog in that restaurant? Thatās fucked up) and I wonāt eat anything proven to have self awareness, like chimps, elephants, magpies, etc but I mean, you donāt exactly come across those meats so itās not a big deal. I also wouldnāt eat anything that was ever a petāIf it was raised for meat, fine, but if it was raised as a companion I could never eat it. I have a pig and people make jokes about eating her and they just arenāt funny or cute to me. Thereās also the fact that veganism/vegetarianism being less cruel is assuming plants have no capacity to feel pain, which Iām honestly not sure ofā¦Thereās also the fact that thereās a difference between the physical reaction to damaging stimuli, all living things have that, and pain as we know it, which is largely psychological in nature, and thereās no real way to know if any certain animal has the ability to feel pain, the emotion pain, rather than just react to damaging stimuli. Plants, like all living things, know theyāre being damaged. Whoās to say they donāt feel pain? My point is, we know all things know when theyāre being damaged, but we canāt know whether non human creatures feel the emotion of pain, so I pick self awareness at the point to draw the line. This turned into an essay but Iāve thought about it a lot
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Do you think your pig psychologically feels pain or just an automatic stimuli?
I think it can feel pain but it is unclear how much it can āsufferā in its āconsciousnessā.
Animal industry causes a lot more pollution then all mechanised transport
Including all cars trains buses ships bikes
Need to fish out some statistics
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You donāt think a pig wants to live when you take away its life ?
What about a sow suckling her own piglets ? Do you think she has no feelings for them?
Watch abattoir footage of them screaming on you tube
Do you not see similarities to your own life? Eyes ears nose mouth tongue legs sleep eat ā ā ā ā
What else?
You are however participating in killing animals unnecessarily
For pleasure
The oceans will be extinct of all currently popular fish in just over a generation
I like this thread. Letās not get it closed down. Because if we were going to close it down there is some really antagonistic ā ā ā ā I could be saying. 
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You need to sit down and not be so aggressive? Do you not know how to have a civil disagreement?
Iām autistic
Runs in my family
I didnāt know that. Thanks for enlightening me.
I am Okkoto and I have a soul! Rarrr!
