5 Reasons I Wish We Would Stop Talking About 'Recovery' for Serious Mental Illness And the Word I Wish We Would Use Instead

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@Meteor
1-If my post is too short,I can not replying about all points
2-I am the only writer in this web who is speak practically about
the essential facts of schizophrenia

3-You were said “the reason that sz is a psychiatric condition is that
it was the only way to objectify symptoms”
-Do you meant: sz is psychiatric condition NOT a medical “organic /biological” condition
or you meant; sz is psychosis in root origin NOT neurosis disorder

4-The practical fact,whatever the nature of schizophrenia condition,the cause of
schizophrenia must be not psychological experience nor biological factor !!

5-If the psychology is the science who is study the psychological /mental behavior of the human beings,then all phenomena,processes and events that has occur in the
psyche /mind of the schizophrenic are outside the knowledgeable of the psychiatrists !
-No matter the used method way to studying the behaviors of the schizophrenic person,they are unable to know or studying the BEHAVIOR of sz cause …WHY ?
-Because,in practice,the psyche /mental activities of any schizophrenic person
is not an expression about the cause of schizophrenia,wherever the behavior of sz cause is the activities of the things that so-called hallucinations
-The hallucination is not HUMAN psychiatric condition,it is non-human psychiatric entity
6-If the science study the behavior of genes and all chemicals,then all phenomena,processes and events that has occur in the schizophrenic brain are outside the knowledgeable of these scientists,because the cause of sz is not gene nor chemical component in nature

7-The science has to be 100% WRONG in the following points:
a-identify the nature of schizophrenia condition
-it is inner metaphysical condition
2-classified the symptoms
The scientists have not know the different between what is cause and
what is its symptoms,until now they think that the hallucination is a
symptom of sz,while in practice the hallucination is the whole inner condition
and it is the cause itself,and all rest of sz symptoms are the result
of hallucination activities
=when you say the word “hallucination” ,in the level of higher truth you indicate to the inner condition which so-called schizophrenia,and when you say the term " symptoms of sz" you indicate to the result of hallucination effect on the mind-brain of the schizophrenic
3-Identify the cause of schizophrenia

The human beings can not achieve any right understanding for the sz facts without understanding my above points

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Generally speaking they are the same thing.

You seem so entrenched you do not have a fundamental understanding on some key terms.

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@Meteor
Psychiatric term was divided from word psyche
While the biological psychiatry using the word “brain” instead
of word " psyche"
=the word “psyche” is indicates to the self or mind in the dictionary not to the brain organ

No problem,if you think that the psychiatry condition is medical/biological /organic /genetic condition,the question
For what reason the schizophrenia is a psychiatry condition in root origin ?
Please,tell us one subjective reason
What is the features of the psychiatry condition ?
Is the schizophrenia is a psychosis disorder in root origin or neurological disorder ?

= It seems that , you give interesting only to the peripheral matters ,as if this
action is the practically speaking about the schizophrenia facts " nature of the case,the cause ,the characteristics of cause,the effectiveness mechanisms,the symptoms of sz,the nature of inner disorders,the medication …etc "

=

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Words are parsed together , but thats another discussion , something I know very little about. I’m telling you what the practice of psychiatry means and you are trying to justify your original point by pretending you were right all along. Psychiatry is a medical qualification ; all that practice it, are medical doctors.

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@Meteor
There are many facts;
1-100 %,you have not actual self experience with the schizophrenia,
and this means that,you have not practical knowledgeable with what is
the schizophrenia condition as it as in it self
-What is the schizophrenia ? without doubt ,you have not answer
-In the case if you answer me,I will prove that you will describe a group
of isolated symptoms and you have nothing to say about a whole condition ,
-if you say,sz is psychiatry condition,the question: what is the psychiatry condition?
-Whatever your answer,it is irrelevant the actual reality of the sz as it as in Herself !

2-All what you say about the sz coming from simple theoretical perspectives ,
and this means that,All of what you know about the data bases of schizophrenia is disagree with the actual reality with the condition " except the diagnosis matter " !

3-You are insist to avoid the mention of word " schizophrenia" in all your posts,instead you talking about the mental illness //mental disorders

4- I do not ask you what is mental illness or its relation with the schizophrenia condition,but i ask you very simple questions;
1- what is the disorders ?
2- What is the mechanism of emergence?
3-What is the relation between the mental disorder and the biochemistry of brain ?
"Show me the content of the bio medical model that you know "

I know,you avoid the answer ,and you will search about any marginal point to give replying

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I’m growing more fond of the idea of an ignore feature in this software.

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I suspect the majority of what you ‘know’ has come from your own experiences , with little or no attempt to consult material from diverse sources.

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@Meteor
In fact,you are respected man,defense about your social philosophical method
without saying swearwords to others ,you are different about the "moodiness duet "

Whatever the scenario content of our discussion, there is no personal matter between me and you,because the agreement and disagreement is the main feature of human beings

You wrote " I suspect majority of what you know has come from your own experiences,with little or no attempt to consult material from diverse sources"

1-It is understood that,there is no psychologist or psychiatrist writing a posts
in this web,and all writers here must be a persons with experience,students,
healthy care workers,socialist or philosopher

2- So that, in this web,there is no poster write his own post by the name of medical science,instead of that you see someone talking about his experience with sz or the treatment,other ask a questions about many different things ,write a story about his social /family suffering ,offer philosophical views,write false story to support the cultural view or biological view or the social /family views toward the sz,…etc

-In sum,there is many goal and aspects to write a post /replying in this web,but no one speaking with the name of medical /psychological science,ask yourself why you write your posts here ?

=Hence,the writer’s oneself can write his own post from his self-experiences //self knowledge, or if he has not this experience ,he display a medical /psychological /neurological articles from diverse sources " like firemonkey and SzAdmin "

=You can write about the condition from your own experiences,or write about the condition from the views of others "cultural view/ psychological /social /environmental /genetic/ chemical /anatomical /neurological view

The question;
Is the person who is writes his own post from his self experiences / self knowledge must be support his post content by the theoretical views of diverse sources ?

Do you know the relation between the theory and practice ?

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I don’t currently claim to be schizophrenic/schizoaffective as although I have had those diagnoses in the past I don’t currently have them. However I do identify with people here who are schizophrenic,to some extent and post about my self experiences.
Whether pdocs see me as being psychotic now(one pdoc said I had ‘psychotic symptoms’) they certainly saw me as being psychotic in the past. Hence delusions is written in my notes.
I sense you want to brand as not really schizophrenic/schizoaffective anyone who doesn’t agree with or fit into your rambling pseudo philosophical model . Irrespective of whether they have the diagnosis or not.

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@firemonkey
Without dissemblance,you are the vibrant psyche in this web,you are very active
to display many different articles related sz every day without boredom ,so that i see you
play an important role to offering what was written about the schizophrenia in
the medical references

In other words,you help the web members to know what was said or written about
the schizophrenia in the scientific community,you do a good job,thanks for that

From the other said,after reading your posts and notice the text of your questions about the sz,
I believe that,you have not the condition that so-called schizophrenia,although your posts about sz is supernumerary than the posts of any writers in this web ,you should know that you have inner hidden huge energy must be used to do something all time of waking,and you using it for writing /displaying many different articles about the sz which help all readers of this web,we can not ignore your efforts

But please,understand my view,if you disagree with me in some points related the schizophrenia,please do not take that as a cause to feel angry from me,because above of all i speak about something that i know while you have not personal experience with this thing

The frame and content of the theoretical knowledge about the sz is vary different about the self experience knowledge ,the difference and disagreement is possible and expected in the world of schizophrenia

For example,if you ask a simple question;
what is schizophrenia ?
You should find many different and contrary answers
You find biological /genetic answer
Chemical answer
Neurological answer
Psychological answer
Social /family answer
Environmental answer
Even you can see some people believe that schizophrenia does not exist /mainly,
and it is mythological public.
And from my knowledge,the sz is not one from the above at all,
it is metaphysical condition

Hence,there is no logical cause to feel angry from me for sake any disagreement ,because the disagreement around the nature of sz is common manifest !

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why cant there be recovery for mental illness. you can recover from a lot of illnesses, why must mental illness b the exemption. have hope…

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‘Recovery’ as defined in mental health circles is more liberal than the dictionary definition . Much of what is called ‘recovery’ I believe is better defined as a ‘state of moving forward’ or ‘positive progress’ . I think ‘positive progress’ is possible for many but recovery as defined by the dictionary is achievable by a few…

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