It’s from 2008 and there are other, later studies that suggest no sz persons are cognitively normal. However, it’s very well-known that nonsocial cognition is not the only determinant of functional outcomes now. Negative symptoms, disorganized symptoms and social cognition are also major contributors to low functioning. These are also closely linked to nonsocial cognition. Positive symptoms and affective symptoms do not have large effects on functional outcomes.
Brooo, let me spread hope today !
How are thing @anon9798425 ? whats you been up to?
False hope is not good.
There are people with sz and very limited cognitive impairments. This is well-documented in subgrouping studies, for instance. But as of now, studies indicate that we all most likely have experienced some cognitive decline.
I’m doing good. We’re moving on Saturday to a new city. Then I’m going to start applying for jobs. I finished my degree.
I see your point, but im not arguing
No way , Congratulations @anon9798425 ! what did you study?
I don’t remember.
Hehehe.
Then you must have been the most normal student there
Of course it can co-exist. Superior intelligence is regarded as the 120-129 range. I know several people with schizophrenia who,like myself, have very superior verbal intelligence.
In my case the ASD definitely results in an adaptive functioning < IQ situation. Whether the schizophrenia adds to that I wouldn’t like to say for certain.
I say a lot of stupid things. So my verbal brain must be like potato
I don’t doubt it— there’s plenty of verbal intelligence right here on this forum.
Don’t understand why scientists and the like only regard one cross-section of SZ as being the definitive presentation of the illness.
…Not all of us talk gibberish to ourselves while wearing a diaper on the outside of our pants and pushing a shopping cart around.
Jesus.
There’s quite a lot of research on heterogeneity, subgroups, clinical subtypes, comorbidity, recovery, etc. But sz with very good cognition is not exactly common.
I’m glad there’s studies out there that examine the breadth and scope of this illness.
I guess I just speak from personal experience:
Medical professionals are always a little surprised when they get to know me and then realize I have a diagnosis as well.
Medical professionals also have a pretty severe selection bias, which makes their personal experience very unrepresentative. They see the patients that need the most help. This is actually one of the reasons sz was previously considered a form of dementia and recovery was considered impossible.
An interesting thread.
Just putting it out here that low cognition is common in many physical illnesses, like ALS.
I’ve experienced a significant improvement in my positive symptoms but I’ve developed a constant brain fog since I’ve been diagnosed with my neurodegenerative disease. I’m not even sure if this is a blessing or not, to be honest. I feel foggy all the time and it sucks.