Why are many of us unable to maintain gainful employment?

Hello everyone, I thought it would be interesting and hopefully helpful of people here to share their experiences when it comes to keeping a job or finding work. I always tell myself I want to be a productive member of modern society and sometimes have aspirations to once again make a living without relying on government assistance.

I do sometimes make jokes about being a leech on the economy and such to close friends in person. Truthfully though, I do find it is difficult for people with schizophrenia (schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, etc.) to remain employed. There are some of us here who are able to continue working despite the illness and I find it inspiring as well as impressive to know they are able to manage. Well, speaking from my personal experiences, I have been unable to keep a job after the onset of the illness. Before, I was a little more outgoing in terms of having a job, going to school and doing things considered productive for a person at that age.

So the question is what makes it difficult for us to stay employed or even find employment?

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I remember my motivation was really bad. It literally was difficult to do. I don’t know how to explain it but it wasn’t lazyness

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Stress. I work and I get stressed and I get stressed and I get paranoid. Since dx it’s too hard around people and leads to more stress.

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For myself, I haven’t really looked forward to the prospect of being around people and having to sell, or do hard work for others. That is not to take away from those that do. It is just that in my mind, the logic doesn’t make sense for me to go and receive a paper we give value for standing around for hours selling something or find the willpower to continue rigorous physical work for other people who also receive less money for doing something a person who receives more doesn’t want to do but has done enough so to the point that they are better at managing the people doing the labor ideally having the experience and ability to do what is being managed if they have to only to do so for a person who receives more of that material paper that for managing them and so on.

Now I understand people say, ā€œmoney makes the world go roundā€ but to me it really doesn’t, I mean I honestly have sometimes felt that people who work in agriculture should receive as much as those who work in the medical field considering it is a physically intensive job and essential, I mean food and health, they do go hand in hand as far as importance, granted processed food tastes unique enough to get us addicted. Really, who would choose asparagus over Lay’s Baked Potato chips?

So from there my mindset doesn’t find the logic to gather enough motivation to even try. I mean, there is more to it than that, I think down the road with digital currency, people might really begin to see how stupid it all looks from the perspective of a person with schizophrenia. I get that things cost money sure, but really, how many of you don’t have a television and not because you don’t want one in the U.S.? At some point surely we all have essential things. Equity vs commodity and all that which on a global view has tremendous disparity, but I think sometimes, it takes roughly 10 cents in India to produce a monthly injection that in the U.S. can be billed for upwards of $1,000 dollars to medicare or health insurances. I can’t imagine it takes more than 200 dollars to make an Iphone that sells for around 1,000 upon release and that is being generous to the cost production. People earn what? 10 dollars a day in some countries? Then, you have a person working for 15 dollars an hour buying it from someone working for 20 dollars an hour selling it for someone making ten times that paying someone 10 dollars a day to work at a factory where it costs 20 work hours to pay the equivalent of the initial worth of someone producing it at a factory that makes who knows? 100 of them a day and that too is generous…

My mind is just not in it.

Then there is the motivation, off meds I’m all over the place but rarely sedentary. Still, I find the idea of having to keep a faƧade of actually wanting to sell such a thing daily a stressful prospect and that is just in retail. All that being said, I do have a whole lot of respect to people who are able to day in day out hold a job, goodness knows on a bad day, I’d probably just be like, ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  this, I quit.ā€ It has happened at least once to me.

One thing I would like to mention is that I don’t want to come across as snobby, I understand people have to work to provide, and at least in the U.S. some mental ilnness(es) deem a person disabled to the point in which we cannot functionally remain employed and so we are eligible for government assistance based on that disability here. Some people might also have family to rely on but I think some of us have had work to make it else they’d end up on the streets, I’ve lived at boarding care facilities as well as independent living facilities but I do realize those are things afforded by this country. Elsewhere, maybe people have relatives or else many of us would be homeless and on the streets.

Despite all that, I do want to find something I enjoy doing and get paid for doing it if only to feel like I fit in more in modern society. I mean telling people I haven’t been employed in years is almost as bad as informing them I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I thought about things I might enjoy, and there is not much within my grasp that I would truly enjoy, I mean working at a space observatory just isn’t a job I’d likely ever get hired for.

Still though, I think sometimes maybe something like stocking the shelves at Best Buy and putting the headphones back in the headphones section before walking around asking customers if they need any help doesn’t seem too far out of my capabilites, the thing is doing it every day for more than 4 hours doesn’t really sound promising. There’s always Wal-Mart I guess. Truthfully though, I don’t think they want to hire a fat average dude without recent employment. Maybe if I was better looking, I seriously might have a better chance getting hired when I was fresh out of jail… but then… I’m competing with a bunch of 20 something year olds that worked at Jack in the Box for 4 years… I don’t mean that makes them any less, I mean realistically, if I were the person hiring, I definitely would rather go with the person who jas proven they will show up for more than 3 weeks without any problems.

All that being said, please feel free to share what keeps you from work, or keeps you going when it comes to working!

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I can relate to that. Hah, thanks for feeling comfortable enough to share that, I mean still you don’t give up and are able to continue at it. I have a lot of respect for that.

I feel the same about @77nick77 and @freakonaleash :slight_smile:

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Nah. I feel I can work more easily now. My problem now is just confidence.

Thanks anyway haha

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I agree with that also, having people hold me accountable for when something doesn’t go as expected is not something I look forward to dealing with and I think might be stressful for me as well.

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I would say for me it’s more the severe social anxiety and the ASD ,than the severe mental illness, that has served as a barrier to employment. Things like ability to cope with stress come into play too. There is nothing wrong with manual work. I just don’t have the aptitude for it. However the stress of a more high powered job would not be good for my mental health.

Also within that is the fact that I’ve never had the qualifications needed for an intellectually high powered job. I just have 6 O levels. No A levels or a university degree. Due to the long lasting effects of the bullying I was subjected to I’ve always been too anxious to be in a room doing a course with other people.

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I get what you mean, it might be a dumb comparison but while I was in jail, I became part of the cleaning crew in our module, mostly custodial stuff, mopping, sweeping, changing the trash bags, also handing out food trays due to the COVID lockdown. It became more like a daily routine so I think I see what you mean.

That’s sort of the thing that makes me think, I mean it can’t be all that difficult if I found a job to keep at it. I think once a person knows what they’re expected to do and do it enough times, it gets easier. I don’t mean it in a belittling way either like, ā€œif LittleMissSloth can do it, anyone can.ā€ (Lol your new name makes that sentence so much cooler) I mean it more along the lines of, ā€œIf LittleMissSloth can do it, maybe I can too.ā€ :slight_smile:

About the confidence thing, gosh Mae, I don’t know how to respond. I was going to say if I were you I’d be like ā€œPshhh… don’t touch the merchandise!ā€ Lol but I am at a loss for words.

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In retrospect that too was a poor choice of words, I’m not insinuating you’re for sale. :rofl: Maybe I just dug the hole deeper anyway, I think you get what I meant. Yes so, no lacky de confdns! Now moving, on, yeah… work, man… :grin:

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That makes sense. It is a logical and honest personal pount of view. I think it echoes the sentiment some of us share as rogue one also hinted at.

I mean honestly, nobody likes to be told they’re lazy and I also appreciate you sharing about not having the aptitude for physical work. Seriously, I worked at a furniture store at one point delivering furniture. I know if I had stayed there I’d probably have gotten better at assembling the various different products in a timely manner before heading off on a nother delivery on the same route. Carefully moving a sectional piece to a second floor apartment on a spiral staircase was enough to convince me I should go back to college at the time and I did, but I ended up moving to where I am now without transferring my college credits and enough years passed where they no long held any merit.

Probably stress tolerance and focus/determination.

A lot of our energy goes to maintaining our mental health which doesnt leave a ton of energy for being consistent with a job.

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One thing I would also like to pount out is that this thread is meant more to encourage employment by learning a little more about why some of us have trouble finding or keeping a job. I think sometimes sharing what we find to be the problem might help us find a solution.

I mean, a personal goal of mine is to enroll in a culinary institute after I am discharged from the outpatient group. I think it would be a good skill to have either eay and maybe it would improve my chances of getting hired at a restaurant but secretly, no ā– ā– ā– ā– , I kind of have thought about working at a grocery store, or even a Wal-Mart. Seriously, when I go to a grocery store, the people there don’t look like they hate their job and honestly some part of me thinks that would be something I would enjoy doing. I mean I can’t be a mailman and I thought that would be pretty cool also. Walking around delivering mail. Seems pretty nice, enjoying the sunny day or even rainy one. Walking around aimlessly used to he something I did for fun, having a reason to do it while earning income seems like something I’d really enjoy more often than not.

Unfortunately, I can’t be a mailman, I mean realistically, Wal-Mart is probably the best chance I’d have to find employment. I applied there several times and have been interviewed twice, both times they said they’d call and well, nope. One day though, I mean maybe persistence would increase my chances of getting hired there. The thing is though I am afraid of failure. Being there for less than a year, that is something I worry about. It would nake me even less hireable.

I would also add lack of confidence into the mix. I’ve never been a ā€˜fake it,till you make it’ sort of person. It wouldn’t be wrong to say that I have a much higher than average fear of failure

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Makes sense. Honestly, I think sometimes along with mental health, health services should provide opportunities to improve our physical health, I really don’t know how that would go about, I mean I’ve learned some gyms are covered by health insurances, but I don’t know like making us run a couple of laps before group every day or something like that. I do suspect the attendance would dwindle but I don’t know, something about physical health troubles my mental health, I’ve always though physical health affects mental health, I guess the term ā€œHealthy body, healthy heart.ā€ Applies to that somehow as well.

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Yeah, pretty much the same for me. My long winded posts touched on that matter. At the same time, I am finding some degree of optimism strangely enough by learning how relatable some of our struggles with employment are. We will get to the bottom of this somehow! :slight_smile:

It’s the same with me. I got fired from jobs because I got giddy from anxiety and started behaving in a questionable way. If it wasn’t for my med’s I could go out in the weather and dig ditches. Also, my back gives me problems. That makes it very hard to do much work at all.

Inability to sustain focus and also lack of motivation in my case.

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@keepsimple weren’t you the mastermind behind Mookie Bear Apps? I think you shared that info here a few years ago. I even downloaded one of your apps, the gratitude log.
I also create mobile apps but I have no trouble putting ads inside. The revenue stream is very very thin, however.
I’m working on a more complex app this time, something meant to outsmart the competition, and it won’t be free. Been developing it for a month and a half, will hopefully finish it before June. The price tag should be somewhere around $2.49 and if I reach 500 downloads I’ll already consider it a success. As you say, the market is very crowded and competition is fierce.

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In the past I’ve tried working part-time twice after sz. On both occasions I got too psychotic to function after a couple of weeks.

But I’m going to try again. Hope I have better luck this time.

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