What to do when you or your sz relative develops mania

A truly =excellent= “best treatment practice” article from Current Psychiatry’s October 2015 edition at…

http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/specialty-focus/schizophrenia-other-psychotic-disorders/article/what-to-do-when-your-depressed-patient-develops-mania/a533aa9d76405b0d7eba81ee48447177.html

Highlights include…

"Stop any antidepressant. During a manic episode, continuing antidepressant medication serves no purpose other than to contribute to or exacerbate mania symptoms. Nonetheless, observational studies demonstrate that approximately 15% of syndromally manic patients continue to receive an antidepressant, often when a clinician perceives more severe depression during mania, multiple prior depressive episodes, current anxiety, or rapid cycling.2

"Importantly, antidepressants have been shown to harm, rather than alleviate, presentations that involve a mixed state,3 and have no demonstrated value in preventing post-manic depression. Mere elimination of an antidepressant might ease symptoms during a manic or mixed episode.4

“In some cases, it might be advisable to taper, not abruptly stop, a short half-life serotonergic antidepressant, even in the setting of mania, to minimize the potential for aggravating autonomic dysregulation that can result from antidepressant discontinuation effects.”

"In the 1990s, protocols for oral loading of divalproex (20 to 30 mg/kg/d) gained popularity for achieving more rapid symptom improvement than might occur with lithium. In the current era, atypical antipsychotics have all but replaced mood stabilizers as an initial intervention to contain mania symptoms quickly (and with less risk than first-generation antipsychotics for acute adverse motor effects from so-called rapid neuroleptization).

“Because atypical antipsychotics often rapidly subdue mania, psychosis, and agitation, regardless of the underlying process, many practitioners might feel more comfortable initiating them than a mood stabilizer when the diagnosis is ambiguous or provisional, although their longer-term efficacy and safety, relative to traditional mood stabilizers, remains contested.”

"…reasonable judgment probably includes several considerations:
• Re-exposure to the same antidepressant that was associated with an induction of mania is likely riskier than choosing a different antidepressant; in general, purely serotonergic antidepressants or bupropion are considered to pose less risk of mood destabilization than is seen with an SNRI or tricyclic antidepressant.
• After a manic episode, a subsequent antidepressant trial generally shouldn’t be attempted without concurrent anti-manic medication.
• Introducing any antidepressant is probably ill-advised in the recent (~2 months) aftermath of acute manic/ hypomanic symptoms.22
• Patients and their significant other should be apprised of the risk of emerging symptoms of mania or hypomania, or mixed features, and should be familiar with key target symptoms to watch for. Prospective mood charting can be helpful.
• Patients should be monitored closely both for an exacerbation of depression and recurrence of mania/hypomania symptoms.
• Any antidepressant should be discontinued promptly at the first sign of psychomotor acceleration or the emergence of mixed features, as defined by DSM-5."

I posted this because I suffered horribly from 1994 through 2003 because I was misdiagnosed with psychotic depression and PTSD (the latter was correct, but not the former) and actually had psychotic bipolar and PTSD. And was thus mis-medicated for several years leading to 11 hospitalizations, about 10 of which probably could have been avoided, as well as the loss of a career, interruption of schooling, a broken marriage, etc.

Information is Power.”

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How do antidepressants mix with schizophrenia? Is it safe to take them, or do they add fuel to the fire for schizophrenia too?

(As opposed to SZA)

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I have been having a hard time with anti-depressants and have similar dx you had from 1994 - 2003 plus dissociative features.

I do not become manic from anti-depressants, but very delusional. I keep wondering whether to try mood stabilizers or anti-psychotics. What do you think might be effective?

They can be very helpful for those with some types of “negative symptom sz” but very dangerous for those with positive symptoms that include anxiety, agitation, irritability and subtle – let alone florid – mania.

It’s probably safe to say that No One with Sz should take these without a full assessment of their condition that includes blood and urine analysis, as well as psychometric testing. But people do. (Sigh.)

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If that is the case, I would think a board-certified psychopharmacologist would (in this era) go with (in the best scenario) a combination of atypcal anti-psychotics like Seroquel, Abilify or Latuda (the most widely prescribed in the US at this time, tho Zyprexa, Risperdal, Geodon and Clozaril are still commonly used; there are many more, as well) + group, one-on-one or workbook psychotherapy to help you parse out the delusions from reality. The better therapies for those who are adequately stabilized with meds include…

REBT – Rational emotive behavior therapy - Wikipedia
Schematherapy – Schema therapy - Wikipedia
Learned Optimism – Learned optimism - Wikipedia
Standard CBT – Psychotherapy | NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness & scroll down
DBT – http://behavioraltech.org/resources/whatisdbt.cfm
MBSR – Welcome to the Mindful Living Blog
MBCT - Mindfulness-based cognitive therapy: theory and practice - PubMed
ACT – ACT | Association for Contextual Behavioral Science
10 StEP – Pair A Docks: The 10 StEPs of Emotion Processing
MBBT – An Introduction to Mind-Body Bridging & the I-System – New Harbinger Publications, Inc

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Thank you! It’s all so confusing.

run
take care :alien:

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I remember being on anti depressants and being manic but neither doctor did anything about it.

Same here, bro.

the first doctor said I just need to go for a walk, the second one ignored it until finally I voiced my opinion too much apparently and he took me off it. Celexa was the worst for me.

I was on Paxil. It, Celexa and Lexapro are close, molecular cousins. And all were very hard-sold by their manufacturers as “anxiety relievers.” And the one third or so of p-docs who slept through the lecture on neurostimulants prescribed them all like candy until recently… when one law firm after another began to take up class actions against them.