The meaning of a delusion

Although both of my psychoses had elements that were rather ludicrous, I definitely feel that it has been worth my time to analyze them and get to the reasons why I wanted to believe in my delusions. First psychosis had an unusual paranormal element and grandiosity and thought-broadcasting, the second did not, but they were both a matter of me wanting things in my life to change, and going to the magical element of believing that x or y was the solution to all of my problems. Wishful thinking taken to the point of insanity, with my mind creating things for me to make it seem real. Also, in both psychoses, my core delusions absolved me of responsibility for my social and psychological problems. I still find myself wanting to believe things that are likely not true, and have to toss out the poppycock often. My hope is that understanding why I get into that will help me recognise when I’m starting up, and keep it in check.

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I don’t believe I am God or Jesus, or the Blessed Mother, or even a Saint. But, I do receive messages from God on a daily basis. Sometimes on a twice daily basis or more. Now, I don’t know if this is a delusion or not, but, all I know is that it has been happening for years and years. Every day. Ever since I became confirmed a Catholic. It has resulted in amazing fruits in my life. I have gone from being a terrible, habitual sinner to being a chaste, celibate, woman who is a good Catholic and tries to avoid sin as best as I can. For the most part, I attend mass daily now. Before, I hadn’t attended a church service in 23 years! Even my mother believes in me. My pdoc and nurses don’t know what to think. I post on this site, not because of my communication’s with God, necessarily, but because of other sza symptoms that I have.

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For those that are happy to sit in the materialist box - fill your boots - i won’t be joining you thanks.

I don’t know why but I can for sure say my “delusional thinking” is centered around the government, God, & the devil. would be nice to know why.

A lot of us surely were. I was raised Pentecostal. I had a head full of impossible moralistic perfectionism hooked up to “mysterious spiritual beings.” Took me several years of insight and cognitive therapy to make enough sense of all the programming to slice through the… delusions.

I always follow the money now. If the research points to some simple pharmaceutical solution, I’m especially wary. That said, I don’t dismiss the findings out of hand.

Probably the biggest gift I got from DBT was the ability to tolerate ambiguities and conflicts until they are finally resolved with empirical proof or disproof… if they ever are resolved. I can even tolerate not knowing forever now.

http://behavioraltech.org/resources/whatisdbt.cfm

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Likewise right here between my ears (on a “bad” day). My non-delusional thinking is anything but, though it took a lot of effort to get here. I had to do a lot of CBT and REBT.

See http://www2.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Inform_Yourself/About_Mental_Illness/About_Treatments_and_Supports/Cognitive_Behavioral_Therapy1.htm

and
Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy: History, ABCDE Model, and More.

Very much at the risk of setting off a useless tailspin, I’m wondering if you can answer in less than 50 words what box you (think you) are sitting in. :smile: (Someone slap some sense in to me, quick.)

a delusion is when you queue for a bus :bus:…when there is no bus stop :busstop: …!?!..what the !!!
take care :alien:

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Not the materialist one.

I liked this statement - that sort of refers to this issue:

Demian Rose, MD, PhD, a previously regular contributor here adds:

"In my view, biology and psychology aren’t just interacting phenomena, they are in fact different levels of analysis of the same phenomena. In other words, the “stuff” is the same in each case (call it mind, or social organism, etc.), but it can be looked at from the very small (e.g., GABA-ergic neurotransmitters) to the very large (e.g., social trends in developing countries). As you go “upwards” in complexity, you generally gain perspective and utility, but lose specificity.

and

Recently a psychiatrist touched upon the general issue of “biology or psychology” in his blog “Corpus Collosum” - and if you’re interested in this topic, I recommend you read the full story. Following is a brief quote:

About one year ago, I was leading a seminar with some PhD students in clinical psychology. In the course of discussing something else, I mentioned, for historical context, the idea that people had thought at one point that there was a clear distinction between biological and psychological problems. A student chimed in: “But nobody really believes that any more, do they?”
Hmmm. I am sure some people do. What is more, it is a paradigm that might be useful for them. As they say, ‘all models are false; some are useful.’ Personally, I have found it to be useful only in a very limited sense. …

A good example of the lack of a clear distinction between psychological and biological processes is found in a recent presentation on the effects of childbirth. Childbirth is obviously a biological process for women. The psychological and anatomical changes are rather obvious. It is much less obvious, however, that there are biological changes that accompany fatherhood. Therefore, it might be tempting to think of fatherhood as a time of psychological transition, rather that a time of biological change.

However, this is not something that one can discern merely by thinking about it. You have to do the study to learn the truth of the matter. And when you study the neurophysiology of new fathers, you do find that there are changes.

Is it really surprising that a person’s physiology changes in response to one’s social environment?

source:

http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/004311.html#

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It seems to me beyond doubt that the biological level enables what happens at the psychological level. It is questionable wether a relation of enabling comes down to a relation of identity, such that we can say the phenomena at the two levels are really the same ‘stuff’. It is uncontroversial that identity entails shared properties. That includes spatiotemporal properties. But it is questionable whether one can specify such identity criteria for what we could loosely call ‘mental stuff’. I.e., reasons, beliefs, thoughts, etc. Their spatio-temporal properties are vague, to say the least - when does a thought start? where is the thought located? How big is a thought? these are questions that seem not easy to answer for mental phenomena, while they perfectly make sense for brain phenomena. Hence it is difficult to truly identify them with brain states which do have clear spatiotemporal identity criteria. One set of criteria could be to look at brain activity and identify the duration and location of them, and demarcate the correlated reported mental phenomena on that basis - yet this would be assuming the consequent. So this goes to show that indeed

Although I would argue that some models aren’t even intelligible.

& so from the materialist paradigm everything is reduced to physiology. How about it’s the other way around in a lot of ways that the primary mechanism is psychogenic? That consciousness is primary. & if that is the actual case, which i think the actual evidence shows - then what of this materialistic ‘science’ (in relation to the self/consciousness)- it would be seen largely as a nonsense - which much of it is (imo).

Still with the ‘materialist’ mantra.

The reason that we sit with a roof over our heads , put a man on the moon , puts incredible processing power into the shape of computing devices is because people choose to study the natural world , and found what they did just works and works consistently.

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Yes, wonderful - Does that then mean that materialism answers the questions as to the nature of the self, consciousness & reality? Your free to believe it does if that’s what floats your boat.

Its you that are asking the questions , me personally I couldn’t be arsed.

Just challenging people - i have the answers thanks.

Incidentally we did have houses (& many other things) before the scientific revolution - in case you weren’t aware.

Yeah we had gravity bro . Its the reason that one block goes on top of another.

Yea, Gravity, another force that materialistic science fully understands & has mastered. lol

i’m Not bedazzled by the pitiful arrogance of where humanity currently stands - that’s the difference.

We don’t need to ‘master’ it we can ‘measure’ it and that’s just fine.