I don’t think we’re considered trustworthy.
People also don’t have the training or time (chose not to) to cater to our successful implementation into society.
It’s assumed; as long as we live and there’s documented support for any illness. That is good enough.
Paper speaks louder than words.
I worked in many jobs, never had a problem with stigma. For me the problem was me not being able to work for more than a month since having psychosis, even for the easiest jobs like video games bug testing and reporting.
I quit most of my jobs on my own, was fired once for being slow in a physical job. Life is hard for me.
Did you tell people you had schizophrenia?
No never told anyone at work. Its private.
I usually can’t sleep 8 hours either, its a bit more like 9h or 9h30 but I found it easier when I have something scheduled in the morning like 9 am.
Everyone has different meds and doses, but I agree with you this illness make us sleep more to be more functional most of the times.
I think most people are quite compassionate. I didn’t want to tell anyone and still don’t. I work a job and was actually unmediated on it for quite awhile. The people there still accept me. Sure, it is a little embarrassing. I am over it though and feel like most people think I may be bi polar or whatever. I hope that in my lifetime I can eventually tell most people close to me and help break stigma.
Hello to fellow sociology friend!
You are probably referring to macro-level interpretation of our role in society. This, I believe, differs from a culture to culture. In my culture, for example, I’m the eldest daughter of a Korean clan.
Assimilation has made drastic consequences for several indigenous groups. Therefore, assimilation isn’t good. Individuality and collectivism- depending on culture- might be better.
Hi @anon10648258!
Interesting point for sure. Assimilation on a cultural level definitely has gone wrong for numerous indigenous communities in the past.
As you are aware, public perception of psychotic illnesses is pretty negative due to misinformation and sensationalism. If society was better-informed on such conditions, I feel that inclusion would follow.
Thanks for your input 
I would just like to add, as a sort of disclaimer, that meds are super-important: they allow us to function at a certain base-level, dependant on the severity of one’s illness.
The main goal is to be as functional as possible on medication-- whether that be maintaining day to day, or being employed in a certain capacity.
Couldn’t you say this about any individual growing up? I would be wary of thinking of schizophrenics as presenting something like a shared culture that we are not allowed to practice in the societies we live in, as the indiginous tribes examples would suggest. The idiosyncrasy of positive symptoms is constitutive of them. (ask yourself if there would be such a thing thinkable of a community sharing the same hallucination - I would think we would not be speaking of hallucination anymore). Schizophrenia is not so much characterized by its own positive culture rather than by its friction with a shared world in general.
There has been some research on values in schizophrenics. Seems like most are quite comfortable in the contrarian position. (You only have to look on the forum for the posts denouncing ‘normie’ behaviour and so on.) The very phrasing of the dilemma in terms of assimilation or outskirts seems to me to reflect a problematic relationship to society already, for it reflects a view of a relationship to society where you cannot win.
Hmmmm… I wouldn’t go so far as to say we need a collective of “practicing schizophrenics”. I meant that mental illness is highly marginalized in most societies, and that it can be difficult with the duality of diagnosis and maintaining societal expectations in a world that is leery of us at best.
Absolutely agree. They wouldn’t be hallucinations anymore-- they’d be shared experiences at that point. The word “hallucination” itself denounces the experiential validity of such an occurrence.
Interesting. I suppose there is some pessimism with that view for sure. But as history shows us, true inclusivity takes a while-- if it even happens at all.
because others cant see past the judgements and the abstract not to mention the majority of us cant paint a cohesive picture about such inequities that define our reality. The role I try to carve out in response is that similar to an impresario, except the funding goes to my own journey. And I try to do it through successful successions (deemed appropriate in the eyes of society, or course). 
Yea, it’s rough when all of us have had such varied experiences with this illness. Some of us work, some of us just maintain on the day-to-day.
I’d say being a doctor is a gigantic success, SZ or not. You go, @gcar
But see thats the thing with this disease, every now and then you catch a break. But you cant get complacient otherwise you’ll never suceed in your attempts to conquor it. For me I look at it as every day is a battle. and the further I get my footing the longer I have to fall back before I tumble down the hill again. Never be afraid to constantly push yourself. Because the way society and my family seeis it is the failure to adapt and integrate to society again is the new norm to live with. You have to create your own reality that is based on your goals and aspirations then a build a support group thats right for you and run with it. Cuz ■■■■ being on foodstamps and assistance for the rest of my life. Im tired of just passing
I agree with this. Creating one’s own reality is actually something we’re pretty good at 
I get where you’re coming from, and more power to you. I just think about those of us whose symptoms are severe. That might be the only choice they have, so we’ve got to understand that this illness can take away opportunities as well.
With that being said, I wish you nothing but the best 
Thanks tuna, but you got to remembe I was once at that point too. I overcame it tho. I knew I was manic and couldnt at the time control it, so I focused my mania on ways to improve myself. I read outlined took notes and journaled ways to get over and fix my thinking. I read books upon books and tried so many different experiments. I failed alot but never gave up and found a way of thinking that worked for me. If indeed I suceed as becoming a doctor I am writing a book on how I accomplished this and tackled my sz. Its going to be a book full of suggestions and tips for getting healthy again. And at no point for a period of years was I able to see the light at the end of the tunnel, all hallucination puns aside lol, but I kept at it and eventually found a way. Which is why I now believe that everyone can find a way to better their baseline. It just takes alot out of you and you ave to be committed to acheiving this and not be afraid to fail or experience setbacks. I think a journal is a great place to start
@Schztuna, are you familiar with the thought that some schools in sociology perceive mental illness as simply a deviance from societal norms, therefore everyone is still a functional member of society?
Also note the idea of medicalization here- society medicalizes life and often leads people suffering from diseases to have negative results from the treatment.
Sociology is such a broad field so many ideas can come from it.
Do you think high intelligence protects from negative symptoms? Not denying your efforts in anyway but I read somewhere that those with minimal sz cognitive decline do function better later.
That’s a good idea.