Scz is Simply a Broken Center of Logic Needing to Be Defined From the Ground Up

I have wondered this as well, and I believe that it is know. I’ve never heard any evidence of it. It’s my assumption that they are not “hyperlingual” like us, so they don’t wind up malforming their logic centers, thus they have no hallucinations of “mind communication.” They barely communicate, so it must not be possible to run on and on and on until they’ve wound up “speaking to their sensations.”

Also people of the rural eareas have less cases of scz per capita, and people of 3rd world rural areas have the highest cases of “rehabilitation” per capita. I assume that it is because there is less communication similar to the animals. There’s also less stress.

That is my thinking anyway. It’s based on the dynamic environmental differences as well as “functional aptitudes” in these categories of people and species.

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I just want to be clear here, so there is no confusion.

The Trivium and the Quadrivium have nothing to do with spirituality, mysticism, magic folk lore or what not.

The Trivium is basic logic and communication in psychology, and the Quadrivium is basic reality or “physical laws” and a common language for measuring and discussing its conditions & functionality.

The purpose of it and my purpose is sharing what I think is simply to give a tool that can cut through the hocus pocus of propagandic cults, tyranny, bullies, liars, cons etc.

Yes, people did exist in the times of Pythagoras who is considered one of the great thinkers such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle. It was him who founded the school of the Trivium and Quadrivium. I’m sure you’ve heard of the Pythagorean theorem.

But yes, people existed in ancient times. They were susceptible to thinks like scz and liars, fake hocus poscus beliefs and so on. There were tyrants and cults that riddled both rich and poor of course. None of this is any different now today, so…

…the purpose of this lesson in the Trivium and Quadrivium through me serves the same purpose as it served through the Pythagorean School in 500 BC: to cut the bull dookey.

Who experiences more bull dookey than anyone else? Scz people do. So who stands to benefit from a course in logic more than anyone else? Scz people.

By the way the other part of this kind of fundamental thinking in universal logic is simply the logical fallacies because once you have a finger on fundamental reality at its intersecting fulcrum, then you will find that the world is full of logical fallacies which do not function in truth per the fundamental rules of logic. They are unrealistic.

The thing that stands out the most to me about my scz is that it is full of logical fallacies. The voices are full of logical fallacies.

It is almost like the more I research and write on the Trivium and Quadrivium logic, the more I have a kind of zap gun so to speak. I’m only saying a zap gun in metaphor not in reality. Let’s not get confused. hehe :slight_smile:

It is like getting a zap gun that I can use to zap my voices with. The gun gets bigger and bigger as I research the T&D more and more, and the speed and rate of zapped voices increases to as the days go by.

So one of my biggest pet peeves about the scz is that it makes me feel what I don’t want. If I didn’t feel what I feel when the voices happen, then the voices wouldn’t even matter. If the voices didn’t matter, I would not even be impeded, frustrated, nor my life totally derailed as it had been relatively for a long time.

With this “T&D zap gun” I want to call it I zap the logical fallacies about my voices and my scz delusional thinking as well mind you, and viola!!! The damn feelings that I hate about scz are suddenly “lifted.”

Have you ever had a real, big, bad scab on you, and it hurt like the dickens for a long time? Eventually it healed and healed, so the pain receded. It was such a relief when the pain was mitigated enough that you could basically function but not yet fully function.

That feeling I used to get when I could peal off the scab, and it would almost just fall off is what that T&D zap gun is like. Again I am only referring to “zap gun” in a metaphor for explanatory purposes. Hehe :slight_smile:

And the skin under the scab was kind of tender and new. It was more moist than my other skin. It was a feeling of renewal, and there was nothing to be careful about in that area of my body because it was fully healed. Because before I would have to be very careful about what I would do around that part of my body.

Having scz is a lot about being careful around a wounded part of myself. What many if not the majority of people can’t understand about me or scz’s in general is that an scz can be a contributive and rational member of society while having to be careful about that “scz” part of them. To most people that person being careful around their “scz brain works” seems irrational and like “magical thinking” or buffoonish. They don’t see a physical wound. They just see what kind of logic a person is using to arrive at what they say, do, and how they behave in general, so to them the scz is broken because they can perceive a “broken logic.”

But have no fear, folks. People have been chastising and shuttering people because of their beliefs for ages and ages. They will say that because of your beliefs your logic is broken. This is nothing new, and our scz logic is just another one on their list. It just so happens that we scz’s are a minority of the shadows, so of course in the way of the world we get pushed away, shuttered, and chastised much more than other groups’ ways of thinking. But it’s always a conflict about how people think or an ideological battle between collectives.

So given that that is the way of the world we must figure out the safest solution especially as scz’s.

We must find logic and the basic measure and functionality of reality both through the Trivium and Quadrivium which I choose simply because they teach this very simply making it very easy to understand.

And then we need the logical fallacies.

Again the answer to why we would ever need these is because the world is full of ideological conflicts, and as scz in a minority as well as in a kind of psychological state of being wounded we need to be able to zap through the ideological showdowns that we will encounter…

…both with our own voices from our own minds and from other people.

That’s the state of reality I have been in as an scz. I’ve been at odds with the beliefs of others of all kinds, and I’ve been at odds with the beliefs of my voices. Regardless of my voices being only a function of my unique psychology without any external inputs causing them, they are an ideological force to be reckoned with.

And the T&D tool and knowledge of the logical fallacies works both in the ideological conflicts in the real world AND in my own labyrinth plagued by voices. It is freedom. It is the keys out of the prison for my mind. It can be for you too.

And most of all I should say that these are important defenses against the arbitrary conflicts about ideologies for any person not just an scz person. This is just as important now as it was thousands of years ago as it be in millions of years no less.

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Your posts are too long to read as I have the attention of 140 characters . But if your finding deep connections and meaning everywhere just know that a symptom of this disease and the meaning to you is just a delusion. Been there done that myself. Still good to see you back

= fallacy

Thank you walker of the moon. Have a safe day. :slight_smile:

Either you know what I mean or you don’t, but haven’t you ever caught yourself going down the rabbit hole only to realize later that it made no sense?

Ok so I’m not trying to dismiss what you are saying or give people a reason not to think it thru for themselves.

What I do know about myself is that I had a time where all I did was glue myself to the computer and look for connections. Sometimes it was numbers, sometime strange coincidences, other times things people wrote that made me think they were communicating to me.

I know you’ve always been a avid researcher but, tell me for clarification, what are you trying to learn?

I know what you mean. I was like that in the early years of my life before I embarked on my scz and after. What person isn’t regardless of being scz. People with and without scz have problems with rational judgement and logical fallacy. It is characteristic of human kind. Of all of the people in the world I believe that the minority of scz’s can benefit from a grasp of logic and someone who cares to teach them selflessly for their own benefit and to have a conversatin with other scz’s such as yourself. I think it’s all good natured as long as the subject is about rationality and scz. Don’t you?

Moonwalker:
“Either you know what I mean or you don’t, but haven’t you ever caught yourself going down the rabbit hole only to realize later that it made no sense?”

So I ask you the same too. I realize that you are not providing a workload of data not like me, but I think that when a person’s large loads of data is labeled “delusional” and “just part of the scz” because it is a large load of data, it can only be done by the use of a fallacy to prove something personal perhaps.

You can do that. I don’t mind, but I’d like to point that out. I hope that you don’t mind.

Would you believe that I work, and I research a ton of data right here at this computer day in and day out? Or do you figure I’m completely irrational and insolent due to being scz? If so, why? Aren’t you a productive person regardless of your scz too?

Hey if your are working and productive in some occupation then I give you heaps of credit for that.

I find that you are very Grandiose in the way you approach writing things her. Life is not all or nothing and extreme enthusiasm is usually a sign of MI breaking thru.

I support you working on things you feel important as I think everyone would like to feel that way, but it’s also important to do some reality testing along the way.

Put out an idea in a few lines and see what reaction you get. I’d certainly be interested

Sometimes the hardest part is making it concise

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I’m just having a discussion about logic and the illogical fallacies of scz and things, and I’m looking for dialogue with other scz’s which is basically what all scz’s are doing here. How about you? :slight_smile:

I’m far past that kind of thing, but the fact is many people do that, and they don’t have any mental disorders. But I understand your concern. I assure you to the best of my abilities that what is written in what I write is always a discussion about reality’s functions, and I tie that back into the reason we congregate in this social forum which is our issue with scz and how it obfuscates our daily lives. That is what you do here, right? :slight_smile:

But tell me if you think that an scz’s thoughts and writings are rendered unintelligible and obsolete by his scz? That seems like your concern? :slight_smile:

I don’t think any mental illness by way of dx invalidates what anyone says, the words stand on their own. So it’s very possible to have brilliant ideas and have sz (see John Nash or my latest programming feat)

Would you agree?

I don’t know what you do, so I don’t know where you need credit applied. :slight_smile:

I’ve always had to work hard at what I do in order to “make it through” scz. You can think of it like comparing a lazy pet dog to a wolf. One has a different way of working and looking at things with scrutiny than the other because of necessity. I would guess that my life experiences, trials, and defeats all vary much from yours, so the way that I work on things would not appear applicable for any benefit to anyone. You’re logical perceptiveness may be affected by your life’s experiences, and that’s okay. Differences are okay with me. I’m not bothered in any way. I had my say, and you had your say about my say. I’m saying my say about your say. We all say don’t we? :slight_smile: Of course. Thanks.

You stated you didn’t read anything I wrote, so I’m certain you don’t know that the entire thread of mine is about “reality testing.” If that is your interest, you should have a full read. It may be beneficial to you. I believe it can be. :slight_smile:

Some things can never be put so briefly.

Or just reading more than 140 characters to understand what was said before claiming fallacies are higher ground. Reading is tough for most people, and everyone suffers illogical fallacies both the fallacies’ speakers and the fallacies’ receivers. The world ain’t perfect, and it sure is far from being concise.

Thanks as always, Walker of the Moon. :slight_smile:

Of course, and I think that the majority of people who have ever suffered scz never told anyone.

The difference between people are those who follow the illusions of logical fallacies, and those who see them, but they don’t follow them. Having scz has nothing to do with this. Scz’s are as prone to this as anyone else, but I believe that scz’s need to grasp logic and its fallacies even more than the average person. And it’s in that which I believe that great people may be trapped in those mental prisons without the keys to pierce the bars of illusions simply because they were not taught. So it seem piratical to talk about logic and irrationality in an scz forum, right? LOL :slight_smile: It goes hand in hand in my practical mind.

A type I error (or error of the first kind) is the incorrect rejection of a true null hypothesis. Usually a type I error leads one to conclude that a supposed effect or relationship exists when in fact it doesn’t. Examples of type I errors include a test that shows a patient to have a disease when in fact the patient does not have the disease, a fire alarm going on indicating a fire when in fact there is no fire, or an experiment indicating that a medical treatment should cure a disease when in fact it does not.

A type II error (or error of the second kind) is the failure to reject a false null hypothesis. Examples of type II errors would be a blood test failing to detect the disease it was designed to detect, in a patient who really has the disease; a fire breaking out and the fire alarm does not ring; or a clinical trial of a medical treatment failing to show that the treatment works when really it does.[3]

These are the types of errors that exist at the foundation. Your thoughts?

Of course they are.

One thing that I have learned I excel at is logic. My family used to say it long before I had scz or even before I was in high school. When I found that I was “burning” with a classic case of scz living in complete and total phantasmagorical fallacy, I returned to logic out of necessity like it were the door, and I were escaping the lion. It of course did not happen like a light switching on. It was over a few years before I really got going, but everything I was doing all led to that pursuit of logic it seems now that I’m looking back. And I was working harder than anyone I ever met. Of course all of this carries over to my researching occupation here at this computer full time, and naturally it would lead me to study just what is logic.

And why logic? I am good at it all of my life, and I had been running towards it so to speak in all ways I could possibly go from the most illogical conundrum there are: scz.

I like your type I and type II errors. That’s very logical thinking, and those kinds of mistakes are risky in reality.

In computer science they make you learn those early on. If you like logic puzzles get into programming . Even simple stuff can be very rewarding. Also if you are into reason you might like the book atlas shrugged by any rand , I feel you’d have a good connection with that book as I did. Even if you don’t read the book check this out

I like that story, and I’ve been dabbling in computer science only in a minor degree. I’ve studied how to build computers, and I have been learning to code off and on. My problem is that I have projects that are priority over learning code and the “philosophy of computer science.” It is in queue though, and it will probably become my focus in a year or two. I see that as a kind of research of passion/career move. Right now I’m wrapping up one of those, and the research of passion is drying up for the most part. The career part of it is near completely developed, so that will fund my research in yet another passion/career move.

I like being a polymath. There are lots of perks that come with it.

That’s a good website. Thanks.

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What’s a polymath?