Scz is Simply a Broken Center of Logic Needing to Be Defined From the Ground Up

So I’m focusing on the Trivium and Quadrivium, and my conclusion is that scz is simply a malformed logic center in the language value system. That language value system is sociological as in our culture, words, traditions, ideologies, practices etc. The language value system is also the interpretation of nature.

What we have done is learned the language of people and nature falsely. Our logic centers are full of logical fallacies, and we need to clean them out. It will take time to research and come to an understanding no differently than taking a single 2 credit community college course. We don’t use the college though. We use the internet.

A lingual value system can be any verbal language, arithmetic, culinary flavors, athletic, and on and on and on. It is simply the communication via symbolized values.

Obviously if we are not clear on our lingual value systems, then what we say will not logically occur as it was intended by our recipients.

The same is true if we do not understand the nature of spices, paints and paint techniques, or our physical movements in the types of lingual value systems I mentioned above. People will dislike the food, be bored with painting, and the team will lose the games.

There are two kinds of logic there: one is the one in people, and the other is the one in nature. They work according to how they work because that is how they work. There is no answer why. They just do.

And depending on what values you put into a mind or into play in nature will determine the result that the logic of minds and nature process in the “output.” Input/Output. Cause/Effect. If/Then.

Obviously if you have been believing the false values about the logic of nature and the logic of people, then your logic center within (your brain) will not process a realistic world. You will see a fake world, and thus you will think, say, and do fake things as a result until you fix the lingual value system that it is working on. It’s sole up to you and nothing or nobody else. There is nothing in this universe that can do it for you. It is sole a practice of your own volition.

The bottom line is that scz is an irrational conditioning of the logic. It is not genetic, but it is paradigmatically lingual as in lingual value system of the inter personal communication symbology of people and the communication of the effects of nature.

We are scz. We have misinterpreted the logic of reality including other people. People are civilization, and civilization is a phenomenon that is part of all phenomena. I sometimes refer to reality as “phenomenality” which means the total sum of all phenomena including civilizational phenomena.

So we must break down our lingual systems in our sociological mind’s language system otherwise called grammar and nature’s “lingual system” otherwise called math.

It’s very simple, and once broken down, then we look at how the logic of the thinking mind works on the grammar values and functions, and we compare it to how the logic of nature works on mathematized values and functions.

Once we see this, we use it as a standard template to measure all of our thoughts, sensations, reactions, beliefs, and our ideologies. In other words we weed out the “bullshitery” that we’ve been believing or propagandized, and the bullshittery that we made up on our own because we were bored kids or whatever.

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Long post cant read it … btw how are u buddy…???

I’m so so. Just studying, thinking, and writing. :+1:

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Actually I’m studying the thinking and writing themselves. hehe And I am thinking and writing about it.

What do u study…

This is what I study.

How old r u dude…cuz i like ur writing style…!!

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Not very old. Not very young.

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40 right.???141415155151

Not very old. Not very young. :muscle::lion:

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That’s some very outdated philosophical perspective that you are standing on…

The human mind isn’t one of those things and the universe is not that divine. It’s not magically nor does math. logic, or mind really have any mystic relation to each other… aside from the mind creating both and there isn’t really much weight to them beyond what they can be used for.

We are damn scant on mathematical artifacts… many for a great while dreamed of find them in order to prove the divine… we are basically left with things exaggerated by hokum… or simple abstracts of geometric relation.

I like it though! You’ve taught me something. The trivium and quadrivium… a gateway to a whole past’s perspective.

No matter what you believe you are doing what is the Trivium and the Quadrivium. You don’t have to believe the Trivium and the Quadrivium, but it is what you are doing no matter what because it is HOW you are doing it and/or HOW nature is doing it.

When you figure this out in life, then you can see that what you are doing with your scz is pointless. You will begin to trim your mind and your daily life’s practices as though it were an unkept prison yard having turned into weeds, vines, and an all out jungle of exotic beasts and parasites etc, and eventually you will literally be able to grasp the operations of your mind with your mind’s operations when it is in harmony which is to say that you can put the rudder on the ship that has gone astray into scz waters.

IF you can do that, then what is the point of subsidy? You can do more than the average person if you can do that, but the average person has few to no reasons to reveal and believe what’s known only through the Trivium and Quadrivium lessons. Even the average scz will avoid these lessons which are as old as 500 BC. Scz’s go back much longer than that though.

What is as old as Trivium and Quadrivium lessons and even older is the prisons of the minds, for if a person is taught or simply conjectures fallacies without understanding the basic rudiments of the Trivium and Quadrivium, that person is bound within the confines of that prison of fallacy.

Most people are A OK in that prison of fallacies. Some are lead into trouble as a result of that prison of fallacies. It’s the information that causes the point of view that you see from, and depending on what it is will determine how you feel about anything around you or within in. That feeling is what determines what you’ll do or not, and what you do or won’t do winds you up where you are or where you are headed.

So as you can see simply “believing” as an action no different than to use your arms and legs is quite a dangerous proposition. It is somewhat having the power of fire that can be very useful when used practically. Practical means of a safe value and/or fulfilling value, and the more of each something is, then we automatically know that it has more value. Even babies know this intuitively. Even animals. It is phenomenon.

So obviously if you do something with fire that is damaging, you are dangerous because you lower safety and fulfillment value. If you use fire in a way that adds safety and fulfills the most people possible, then you are going to be rewarded the most that the community needs what you produce with that fire.

SO when I say belief or to believe as it is an action not unlike the use of your arms and legs, there I am implying that there is a boundary of practicality. “BUT WHAT IS THE BOUNDARY OF PRACTICALITY ABOUT THE “BELIEF” ACTION THAT WE CAN ALL DO?”

I’m glad you asked. LOL :no_mouth::rofl:

If what you believe adds safety and fulfillment, then we say that it is a practical belief. If it diminishes those values, then we say that it doesn’t have practical value or lesser so.

Obviously what we are believing as scz’s whether we like it or not makes us less safe and less fulfilled. There are many beliefs which diminish practical value, but this is the one we focus on here in the forum, so I’ll stick with that one.

I was saying something about having no need for subsidy if you get the Trivium and Quadrivium lessons. That’s because if what you can do is worth far more than subsidies, then why would you continue to have subsidies?

That brings me back to how what we “believe” has a direct effect on what we feel like, and our mood has a direct effect on what we will do or won’t do.

So if you can figure out the Trivium and Quadrivium, and then use it to evaluate every single thing you think, believe, remember, point of view, do, feel, sense, and every other sensation that is possible plus everything and everyone in your world and life, then what you will find is that you will act very much in an autonomous way fashioning your belief system as though it were as automatic as the processes of the constructive beaver or spider or even computers.

The resulting order of your beliefs will shape the perspective you have on everything within you and around you, and that will create a mood to do what is most practical and avoid doing what is least practical including what you do with your mind.

This is what is called “Stoicism.”

It basically means to change the way you feel about your experiences in life simply by changing your perspective of yourself and the phenomenal reality which you coexist with in life.

On Stoicism:

“History. Stoicism was founded by Zeno of Citium (modern Cyprus) around 301 BCE, and it takes its name from the Stoa Poikile (painted porch), a public market in Athens when the Stoics met and engaged in philosophical discussions with anyone who was interested. A second major figure of the so-called “early Stoa” was Chrysippus, who is actually credited with elaborating most of the doctrines that are still associated with Stoicism. The early Stoics were of course influenced by previous philosophical schools and thinkers, in particular by Socrates and the Cynics, but also the Academics (followers of Plato) and the Skeptics.”

Reference: How to Be a Stoic
AN EVOLVING GUIDE TO PRACTICAL STOICISM FOR THE 21ST CENTURY (on the internet)

“When considering the doctrines of the Stoics, it is important to remember that they think of philosophy not as an interesting pastime or even a particular body of knowledge, but as a way of life. They define philosophy as a kind of practice or exercise (askêsis) in the expertise concerning what is beneficial (Aetius, 26A). Once we come to know what we and the world around us are really like, and especially the nature of value, we will be utterly transformed. This therapeutic aspect is common to their main competitors, the Epicureans, and perhaps helps to explain why both were eventually eclipsed by Christianity. The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius provide a fascinating picture of a would-be Stoic sage at work on himself. The book, also called To Himself, is the emperor’s diary. In it, he not only reminds himself of the content of important Stoic teaching but also reproaches himself when he realises that he has failed to incorporate this teaching into his life in some particular instance. Today many people still turn to Stoicism as a form of psychological discipline. Stoicism has never been ‘purely academic’ and modern adaptations of Stoic thought seek to carry on this tradition of self-transformation.”

*Reference: Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (on the internet)

I don’t understand. Please explain, so I get it. :slight_smile:

Dude all this fits in between plato and modern science… that isn’t how the realms of knowledge are divided.

Dude logic and math have absolutely no divine basis nor any phenomenal ties into the human psyche…

I’d actually advise that you take your perspective a step further and go consider what human that existed primarily in small communities within the natural world thought like.

The real cure for schizophrenia lies in simplicity in perspective, expectation, and self… it’s nothing about logic.

If all this was oriented or imbued by some logic I’d ask you the one question that would matter… what is it that every one of us schizophrenics have in common that mandates that we become stricken with this illness?

Honestly I don’t know a thing about what you are talking about but I’m very quick at this:

Your Trivium and Quadrivium all stem from the first of three portions of the classic italian renaissance… That’s some old school ■■■■.

Do you know what Kepler syndrome is? I’d advise you look into it.

You have me wrong. I never said something about divineness.

Very bold and profound. Do you suggest what we are observing in nature is not mathematical, but it is functional and dynamically so, therefore we use a language to describe it to each other? That’s what I meant. I don’t imply anything mystical or magical in here.

Haha that’s humorous. I like you already. Of course I wouldn’t try to pull a fast one on you. I shimply am pointing out to everyone a simply concept that the mathematics is the symbology or linguistics which we’ve been using for ages to describe the functions of nature. Is that what you meant?

Can you tell me what they are after reading what I wrote? I suggested that people do a study on it, and I left out a full lesson on it. I wonder if you and I are not on the same page without knowing it. hehe

Oh we aren’t seeing eye to eye… that’s pretty clear.

What I read was that the Quadrivium is arithmetic (numbers), geometry (numbers in space), music (numbers in time), and then the other one which was numbers in both space and time… wikipedia reminds me of what it said… astronomy for the latter

The platohedron lol… words like all those charm me.

Do sorry for being snappy… You are making a suggestion and I thought you were selling a truth.

I consider schizophrenia to be an illness within the realm of higher consciousness which is the cerebral cortex… where all we know and think occur and are stored. So in that I do agree… Are center of logic is broken.

I found Keplar Syndrome. It’s a fictional part of a video game/movie called Mass Effect. Otherwise there’s no such thing. Thank you.

Also your reference for the Trivium and Quadrivium was inaccurate. The renaissance has nothing to do with my subject nor this thread. Thank you.

I’d like to step into the fray and say I like your logic, only that a premise you put forth is fundamentally flawed. Where you say we as sz/sza/ect have a logical issue, you are treading on the grounds of “not even wrong”. However it is flawed when you take into account all humans, even healthy ones, are flawed in themselves as well. I do believe in the (implied) goal in improving oneself however so I commend you for that.