Recovery rate of schizophrenia

Hi, guys!

I’m looking for scientific data for a presentation and I want to know the recovery rate of schizophrenia.

I found these facts, but they’re from a book called Surviving Schizophrenia: A Manual for Family, Patients, and Providers (Dr. E. Fuller Torreys):

After 10 years, of the people diagnosed with schizophrenia:

  • 25% Completely Recover
  • 25% Much Improved, relatively independent
  • 25% Improved, but require extensive support network
  • 15% Hospitalized, unimproved
  • 10% Dead (Mostly Suicide)

After 30 years, of the people diagnosed with schizophrenia:

  • 25% Completely Recover
  • 35% Much Improved, relatively independent
  • 15% Improved, but require extensive support network
  • 10% Hospitalized, unimproved
  • 15% Dead (Mostly Suicide)

I’m looking for the scientific data of these stastistics. Does someone who has the book know from which scientific article they took these numbers?

Thank you in advance!

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Thank you, @anon17132524!

I’m just reading this article.

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@DelusionalSoldier

Thank you. I hope it helps.

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Keep in mind when reading about this that it varies by how recovery is defined, by how populations are sampled, and by which populations are studied (including different countries).

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I think that half or more of the problem. There’s no clear consensus on the issue. Even here we’d probably disagree over what constitutes ‘recovery’.

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Yea is it including all negative symptoms and post psychotic depression

It’s true that there are no clear metrics to define recovery:

[ The precise proportion of cases that have favorable outcomes is less clearly understood. To a large degree, this relates to uncertainty about how to measure multifaceted outcomes such as “recovery.” Considering how much research attention has been allocated to exploring the onset of psychosis (eg, prodrome and early psychosis), it is appropriate that a comparable degree of research scrutiny also be accorded to the recovery of psychosis.1 With respect to the remission of clinical symptoms, operationalizable criteria are now available.2–4 However, symptom profiles are only one component of the many facets of recovery. Many consumer-based groups conceptualize recovery as a personal journey (ie, a subjectively evaluated process dealing with symptoms over time) rather than a defined point outcome (completely recovered vs persistent illness).5 In contrast to most clinical symptoms, outcomes related to recovery do not lend themselves to simple, reliable metrics.6,7]

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I didn’t get clearly the recovery criteria from this article (https://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/article/39/6/1296/1884290).

They say their criteria is that the person needs to have persistence of good outcome in two different dimensions for at least 2 years:

  1. Clinical remission;
  2. Broader social functioning.

I think clinical remission means that the person is not hospitalized for 2 years at least. But I didn’t get what broader social functioning means. Is it the idea that the person is employed or active? What does it really mean?

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Includes what might be called a conservative definition of recovery.

I was at a lecture in a hospital two days ago about recovery and work in bipolar and psychosis, and one of the researchers had an interesting categorization of definitions of recovery. She divided it into three concepts which were (roughly):

Clinical recovery - improvement of symptoms beyond a threshold
Functional recovery - not necessarily marked improvement in symptoms, but improvement in function
Well-being - being happy and content with your life

She said research had traditionally focused on the first one, and somewhat the second one, and that patients and their families had stressed the importance of using other, more inclusive definitions of recovery in future research.

PS: I would by many of the clinical definitions on recovery not be recovered, even though I’m functioning pretty much like non-sz people and am very happy with my life. Many definitions on recovery are unnecessarily strict.

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@anon9798425

I think defining recovery using a multi-axial (if you will) approach is more accurate.

Sounds like an interesting lecture.

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The most interesting part was this successful lawyer with bipolar who came off as pretty manic. :sweat_smile:

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I’d describe occupational recovery as doing paid/voluntary work or going to college . Social recovery as having a social circle and a good measure of community involvement . Functional recovery- no or minimal symptoms and able to live independently with the level of support(none of us are islands) that people without a mental diagnosis would have.

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@DelusionalSoldier

All I can find for “broader social functioning” is having economic and residential independence and low social disruption (doing well in everyday situations).

why is the presentation about recovery

who are you trying to teach

I mean it sounds optistimic of you

but it’s not reality

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It would help to have a clearer definition of ‘broader social functioning’. As it is it’s vague.

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I think it’s great that he chose this subject.

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A few questions I’ll ask. Who should define recovery the clinician or patient? Are we always good at telling how well we are doing? How much should the input of friends and family count in assessing recovery ?

Who are you asking?
Tough questions.
I don’t know.