how many of people with shizophrenia fully recovered ?
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There are no known numbers, but there are those who experience an apisode or two and continue to live, I think for most of us this is for life
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It’s not really considered schizophrenia if u “fully” recovered. I think that’s just a brief psychotic episode and those are far and few.
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I have no symptoms just a few side effects from the meds. However I will never go off my meds.
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Prolly about 10%
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I have a therapist who said that people who recover fully and go off their meds and are fine don’t really have schizophrenia. Since schizophrenia doesn’t have classic biomarkers the gamut of opinions run all over the place. He also said those who recover fully still take their meds. He could be wrong because no one truly knows but he sees patients for 1 hour at a time which is a lot more often than most psychiatrists see us so I can’t completely dismiss his ideas.
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About 30% will recover
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60% of people experience no more positive symptoms so long as they take meds. 25% might regain most of their previous functioning…?
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The numbers are all over the place depending who you ask. There’s the rule of quarters; 25% recover near fully, 25% improve substantially, 25% improve a little bit, but have frequent relapse and require a lot of support, and 25% don’t improve.
Others say 30-35% recover, but only 10-15% go back to work.
It’s hard to say for sure because measures of recovery are all different. Is it not being in the hospital for 2 years? Is it not having any positive symptoms? Is it being able to live independently? All of those things can happen at different times.
It’s also hard to say because sz isn’t fully treated with optimal meds in about half the people, due to a variety of problems, not the least of which is people just not taking their meds. And there is a lack of treatment for treatment refractory sz.
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This is just an unfortunate remnant of the Kraepelinian dementia praecox concept. It’s not true. We can’t tell for certain who will recover and who won’t, so saying that those who recover didn’t actually have schizophrenia in the first place is just an attempt to obscure the fact that a significant number of those who have schizophrenia actually do end up recovering completely from it. Unless someone finds a way to reliably predict who will end up with a chronic course of the illness, “undiagnosing” the ones who recover is just an elaborate way of deceiving people. It’s not based on anything other than how these professionals want schizophrenia to work, and it’s counterproductive to their attempts at helping us.
This is also not true. Those who recover completely sometimes do not need their medication anymore and do not have any more psychotic episodes after they quit. That said, being compliant with the medical treatment is probably one of the biggest factors in successfully recovering from schizophrenia.
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the most significant factor in “recovery” from schizophrenia is luck/severity of illness.
For me people who recover are far, far away for me like in terms of our interests we are very far apart.
While people who don’t recover are desperate for cures and better treatments,
people who recover don’t care about this at all.
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Well, when you define severity of illness as how well you end up recovering, as you did some time ago, you’re pretty much talking in circles. Why do people not recover? Because their illness is too severe. How do we know their illness is severe? Because they don’t recover. And there are many examples of people having severe symptoms (which is how we should define severity) and still recovering well from this illness. Honestly, I feel like you’re sabotaging your own progress when you argue against recovery like this. If you really feel it all boils down mostly to luck, I hope you’ll at least entertain the idea that you could get lucky too.
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@anon9798425 severe illness is illness for life,
severe means suffering severe symptoms for decades despite being treatment compliant and making efforts to improve.
This is how I define severe.
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I second erez …!!!
If that is how you define severe, then naming severity of illness as the most important factor in recovery is meaningless. You’re basically saying people who don’t recover, don’t recover because they don’t recover.
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Means They have severe negative symptoms …and cognitive symptoms…like i gave up school and collage… if u encourage me to join collage i cant cuz cognitive symptoms comes to play…so those dont recover who sufferes a lot from symptoms…so for some recovery is not possible…
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These are important factors for recovery, and you do not end up with meaningless circular reasoning when you define severity of illness this way.
Maybe. But we can’t predict perfectly who will and who won’t recover. Cognitive and negative symptoms can get better over time.
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@anon9798425 severity of the illness, in people who have insight, can be estimated by the patients themselves.
There was a poll at a certain point “how severe is your illness” and from what I remember, out of 60 voters
I was the only one that voted very severe.
I feel that patients with insight are mature and responsible enough to be able to rate the severity of their own illness.
Me personally I feel that my illness is very severe.
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I know that after a psihotic episode 30% are full recovered, 30% are only half recovered with the help of the medicines and 30% never recover despide all medicines. Just pray not to be in the last 30%.
U are right tree …some say symptoms do improve in a course of time …no one knows when…so its a bit confusing but we have to live positively…so this is never ending debate…
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