Is this a biological disease or environmental?

just wondering what you thought,

personally i believe that anyone can get sz if the circumstances were right, some people may be predisposed with it or at a higher risk but that is mostly down to how they have developed and there environment growing up i think,

i don’t think there is any one gene that can be blamed for this mental illness, if i was to blame something it would be my environment and a weakness in the force lol

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I would post a link but I cant find it. All the british psycologists, which is several thousand, have made an important statement. They said that mentall ilness is the product of life experiences, and that the current dogma of a biological model is wrong. The psycologists meant that the question should be : “what has happened to you” instead of : “your dopamine is too high”.

I think that even schizphrenia is down to stress and life trauma. I could be wrong, I might be. But there is an increasing litterature on hearing voices that says, that its a normal variation of the psyche. I think of my meds as a relaxant. Although I do acknowledge that I had no insight in my delusions before, and thus needed medications.

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Factors in our environment can affect our biology.

Some things that come to mind:

  • sun exposure, or lack thereof
  • diet
  • pollutants and toxins
  • drugs (both medicinal and recreational)

Even stress and trauma can produce biological changes.

My point is that there are a lot of environmental factors having nothing to do with genetics that affect our biology. Sometimes factors that contribute to mental illness are divided into those that are genetic, versus those that are environmental. And I think that most scientists who study mental illness would agree that both genetic and environmental factors contribute to the development of schizophrenia. However, to ask if “this is a biological disease or environmental” assumes that environmental factors don’t affect our biology, which I don’t think is true. Both genes and environment influence our biological makeups.

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The problem with that is that not all who experience adverse/traumatic events go on to develop schizophrenia/psychosis. That strongly suggests that ‘what has happened to you’ is not the only question needing to be asked.
What can be said is that in those predisposed to schizophrenia ‘what has happened to you’ may be relevant in terms of increased risk of developing a full blown condition.

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But psychologists would say that, wouldn’t they? Because they can only give “talk therapy”, not drug therapy. Psychiatrists can give both, either or neither, and they try to choose what is best for the patient - usually both. And the psychologists’ position has an element of irrationality - they are saying the “mind” is independent of the body. That’s clear nonsense. In fact, it’s a delusion, LOL. But even if there is an environmental “trigger” for some people with sz, that trigger isn’t necessarily an emotional or mental “event”. It could also be a physiological event - a virus infection, for example. The fact is that it is not completely known, so making such strong claims is foolish - which doesn’t inspire me with any confidence in such psychologists.

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“But psychologists would say that, wouldn’t they?” is exactly what I was thinking.

Environmental things definitely influence mental illness, but there is a lot of research that shows more clearly that biological factors have a massive impact on mental illnesses, especially severe ones like Schizophrenia. There is a lot of evidence of inheritance of mental illness or risk for mental illness, although a lot of times something needs to trigger it.

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Here is the link I wrote about in the original post:

psychologists says biological model is wrong

dont forget the moon.

the moon has influence on tides, and since we are 90% percent water.

Lack of sun more than exposure, though overexposure can lead to physical problems with the skin.

Poor diet and pollutants/toxins are major factors in mental and physical disease. I’ve experienced it firsthand. The more i eat a better diet the better I feel. Toxins can also include alcohol, and quitting that entirely is a huge help.
We simply do not get enough of the amino acids and trace minerals the body requires through a 'normal" American diet. In fact I might even suspect a covert agenda between the pharmaceutical industry and major food companies so that foods are mainly filler or full of poisons that will get you sick so you have to run to doctors and get more poison to cure the illness caused by the poisoning through the foods.
Think of it…why on earth would a company that provides food for human consumption refine the food in such a way that most nutrients are removed, and toxins added? And in labeling they are sneaky and sometimes word things in such a way as to cover up the fact there are toxins in the food. GMO foods and chemically sprayed foods have all sort of hidden dangers.

But people ignore the warnings and wonder why they are sick while they chug drinks filled with aspartame neurotoxin or refined sugar…choose your poison…

“Refined sugar contains no fiber, no minerals, no proteins, no fats, no enzymes, only empty calories. What happens when you eat a refined carbohydrate like sugar? Your body must borrow vital nutrients from healthy cells to metabolize the incomplete food. Calcium, sodium, potassium and magnesium are taken from various parts of the body to make use of the sugar.
Many times, so much calcium is used to neutralize the effects of sugar that the bones become osteoporotic due to the withdrawn calcium. Likewise, the teeth are affected and they lose their components until decay occurs and hastens their loss. …Refined sugar is void of all nutrients, consequently it causes the body to deplete its own stores of various vitamins, minerals and enzymes. If sugar consumption is continued, an over-acid condition results, and more minerals are needed from deep in the body to correct the imbalance. If the body is lacking the nutrients used to metabolize sugar, it will not be able to properly handle and rid itself of the poisonous residues. These wastes accumulate through the brain and nervous system, which speeds up cellular death. The bloodstream becomes over-loaded with waste products and symptoms of carbonic poisoning result.”

I’ve gone to Honey and Molasses only for natural sugars, and juices that are 100% juice with no added sugar…

throw out the crappy high fructose corn syrup too…that’s just more poison the body and brain has to deal with…

Seriously, IF there are chemical imbalances it is not for physical reasons, but because people are abusing their brains through consumption of toxins causing an imbalance. Unfortunately very few doctors will admit this and continue to diagnose fictitious diseases and pump drugs into people…when a simple change in diet could solve a majority of health issues, including some mental health…

“High fructose corn syrup is always found in very poor-quality foods that are nutritionally vacuous and filled with all sorts of other disease promoting compounds, fats, salt, chemicals, and even mercury.”

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I think it would be interesting to study the extent to which the moon influences us biologically. My guess would be that the moon probably influences us more than most of us probably realize.

The extent to which the moon might be an environmental factor that might play a role in the development of mental illness might also be interesting. Certainly, it would be interesting to think about the extent to which our minds might operate differently if we didn’t have a moon, or if we had two or more moons orbiting our planet. But on the other hand, I can’t think of any reason why mentally ill individuals would be affected differently by the moon than individuals without mental illness, unless some of us might be more sensitive to any effects that the moon might have on us than others.

The Moon has very little influence on me…

Uh…never mind…

With a name like LUNA-seer I’ll never get away with that tall tale, LOL…

I’m going to post this link that attempts to debunk the claims the Moon affects us, but pay attention to this comment

“I believe that the research in this article is somewhat lacking. People doing research into the effects of positive and negative ions have noticed that when there are too many positive ions in the air, the body goes into serotonin overproduction which in turn leads to hyperactive adrenal production. Eventually the adrenal gland becomes exhausted. This all leads to somatic problems and all kinds of emotional/behavioral problems that range from depression to hyperactivity. A full moon somehow triggers more positive ions into the air.”

There are also the unseen spiritual factors to consider, not just gravitational forces. the ionization in the air is a factor that is connected to spiritual experiences…
Animals also react to a full moon, and just because their senses are more sensitive than ours doesnt mean we are not affected at all…

http://www.naturalbodyhealing.com/how_sun_and_moon_affect_us.html

"Positive ions in the atmosphere have harmful effects on health, whilst negative ions are hugely beneficial. Whenever an atom loses electrons, it has more protons which result in an overall positive charge. If an atom gains electrons, it has fewer protons and so it becomes negatively charged.

Our bodies extensively use elements such as calcium, potassium and sodium ions for transmitting electrical signals between the brain and the nerves. Large quantities of ions can therefore immensely affect our health because they interfere with our own internal communications system, at a cellular level.

Have you ever wondered for example, why the moon’s cycles have such an effect on us, our emotions, our wildlife and on our harvests?

At the time of the full moon, there are more positive ions at the Earth’s surface which is why people seem to suffer with more stress. An influx of positive ions causes blood to flow more slowly and so oxygen in the blood is not carried to the muscles and brain as efficiently. During this time, there are many more murders, more arrests, brawls, mood swings, arguments and much more violence than at any other time in the month. This is where the origins of the word ‘lunatic’ come from; ‘luna’ being Latin for ‘moon’."

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Thanks, @e_lunaseer. The information that you’ve posted is quite interesting. A lot of what I write on this site is opinion, but you’ve posted some intriguing facts.

I’ve studied these things extensively and I live by them. I thought I knew a lot 10 years ago and ate pretty healthy and lived in a clean environment but over those years i learned so much more and had to make even more changes.

I knew about the ionization back in the 90s and that Shamans and prophets were drawn to places we now know have lots of negative ions, like mountain tops, forests, moving water…

Then there are simple things like paint fumes, fumes from new materials, especially new cars, all containing gasses that can harm you. It’s not so much that any one thing would affect you really bad, but the combination of all kind of toxins being breathed and eaten does have an effect.

We spent like 10 minutes at the store today in front of the yogurt trying to find one that had active cultures - probiotics, and didnt have aspartame neurotoxin! We finally found one and only one out of all the choices…

And it’s just incredible the amount of food items have High fructose corn syrup… I am a label reader and when I shop I often do more reading in store than buying… thankfully they have a ketchup with no preservatives and no HFCS

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i found this link. 10 things that an electromagnetic field can do to your brain. on IO9 website

http://io9.com/5851828/10-things-an-electromagnetic-field-can-do-to-your-brain

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I suspect it’s a combination of things, party genetic, partly environmental. When all of the conditions are met, someone’s cracker watches its poor cheese go sideways. :cry:

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Yup, that’s another one… I used to camp out near some high voltage lines and could hear them crackle at night… I hope that didn’t do anything. I remember almost completely freaking out there one night when I was 17…
EMF are everywhere… I am sensitive to them…for example I cannot stand near the wall of flat screen TVs in Walmart…the radiation comes off those things and I can feel it tingling in my pores, so I stay at least 25 feet away from them.
Some of the invisible non chemical pollution we can be exposed to. Another good reason to live in the country away from a lot of electronics… but as long as you are not near the HVLs… I once was looking at 10 acres for $5000 in the Cascades. i noticed some very thin lines in the photo and emailed the seller to ask if they were power lines… Yes they were and about 7 acres of the property was subject to the easement! No thanks…they can keep it and hopefully no one lives permanently on it.
I wonder what the EMF effects of a stargate are??

you do know that these things like the moon and over head lines have got nothing to do with environmental effects don’t you?

when i say environmental i am talking about things like how you were brought up by mum and dad and the society you were brought up in, things like poverty and school and anything that could effect your mentality other than genetics and genetic disorders etc.

sounds like you are entering the world of make believe and supposition, its things that people could get delusional about i guess.

While I’d agree with you @daydreamer that the moon and over-head lines are neither the first things that come to mind for me (as far as environmental factors that contribute to mental illness are concerned) nor factors that scientific researchers have implicated as being key causes of mental illness, I think that it’s interesting to consider ideas for environmental factors that might be outside the realm of what mainstream scientists suggest. After all, there was a time when suggesting that genetics or even psychological factors might contribute to the development of mental illness probably would have been ridiculed for challenging the idea that mental illness was caused by demonic possession. Although I don’t think that most of the ideas from outside of the mainstream are likely to be valid explanations concerning the causation of mental illness, I don’t think that they should be completely excluded from consideration just because they challenge our current ideas about what causes mental illness. In another 100-200 years, our ideas as to what causes mental illness might be different from what they are today and might even include some ideas that are currently outside of the mainstream.

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I’ve been slightly sensitive since I was about 9. I feel I was born with paranormal insight though. I have high verbal and reading abilities, though I don’t read a lot and information has seemed come to me sometimes in a psychic way.

Here are a few recent experiences I can think of atm:
a lighter in my bedroom flew off the table and landed on the floor. This has happened twice now I think. I have a Ghost Detector APP which has picked up names and phrases used by people who died (Jessica was his best friend who OD’d and her name comes up a lot as does Lauren, glamorous) He lost a lot of friends to suicide and drug overdoses etc, happens always at my friend’s house which is haunted. At my house I have snapped pictures of lights, orbs, and a figure that was sitting next to tim, in a duplicate position but opposite him. I don’t know if the APP’s pics are real so I’ve been hesitant to think it’s accurate or real.

There are quite a few experiences that are too difficult to talk about. One time I came back from a trip at the cabin, where the doors locked me in and my mom freaked out. It was just me, my brother, and my mom there. The door wouldn’t open. I was locked from inside. This happened once at my house when I was in the bathroom when I came back from that trip. The door locked, as if someone was holding the door!!! I freaked out. A bunch of stuff was in random places, like a “tooth decay” pamphlet in the cereal cabinet. A GWB plush doll in my dad’s office. I got blamed for most of it because I was considered Bipolar or Manic, perhaps due to some of my experiences as well.

This was also during a time I bought an item with a bad attachment, said to bring you closer to the otherside. Actualy the item’s tag said it would act as a bridge from this world to the other one. It was a cross with reverse spirals that I found at an antique store in the new age section. I got rid of it because it was giving me chest pains when I wore it touched it or looked at it. The nightmares still continued for years afterwards of a man cloaked in darkness who was attacking me in every which was causing severe mental trauma. I believed the trauma could have been psychological, but it didn’t explain the paranormal events.

I was also born on Friday the 13th in January. My birthday tarot card is death and my tarot card sign is the devil, lmao. I am not so unlucky though. I’ve surrounded myself with angels and I’ve begun practicing a bit of lightwork in the past. At this point, I’m at a crossroads trying to figure out what to do with my energy.

I have this undying urge for spiritual power and control over situations. I get excited when a spirit tells me something that averts danger. It is too awe inspiring. Everything is awe inspiring. I am currently labeled with either bipolar or schizoaffective. If most people have negative voices, I have helpful and positive ones. They say the interpretation of hallucinations has been proven to be based on culture. American culture has the worst prognosis in this study for hallucinations because they are not seen as gifts but as meaningless symptoms.

I studied carl jung and it helped gain insight on locating the source of a hallucination or even delusion. Thus, curing my symptoms while I still struggle with the choice of taking medication.

It’s not so much about raw energy but how you synthesize it in your experiences into something rational. For instance, I always sought to prove my experiences not fantasize with them. That’s why I differ from those who have fixed delusional beliefs. Mine have been proven, almost always. I practice minor things in spirituality such as tarot, angel tarot, and prayer -

@StarryNight no offence but i personally do not believe in things like that, i think we need to come back to reality bc when we are mentally ill we see and hear lots of things that sometimes cannot be explained, even if you were ok you might see something you couldn’t explain but i think its more frequent with us as we get delusional about things sometimes.

@shadow2000 i know what you are saying but i just thought that we should stick to things that we can prove and has been tested to affect us mentally, some of this stuff could be seen as being delusional but who am i to judge lol,

i see things like the moon affecting us and ghosts haunting us to be up there with things like conspiracy theories and harry potter lol