No, they’re not real. At least you have some insight. Maybe you need a med change or adjustment. We are not doctors. Talk to them.
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I am thinking that God put this idea in my head because he wants me to wake up. I can’t go to a doctor. Not until we know where we’re staying permanently. I don’t know what I’m going to do.
The beings are real, they’re entangled with my thoughts. I’ve tried to convince myself that they’re not real, but it didn’t work. It never works.
Sounds like my matrix delusion. Can you learn to cope and deal with them? Basically just live with them. Some people can deal with voices and be high functioning.
I’m learning to get over my problems. I’ve just learned to not care anymore. Took me several years. The medication didn’t help much. I think overall and over time, they did. Basically, in the long run by changing my brain chemistry for the better.
My matrix delusion is pretty deep. I got to learn to not watch things that upset me and change my way of thinking.
Socratic thinking helped a lot. Same with CBT/DBT.
My matrix delusion is unprovable and unproven. It used to affect my vision and thoughts. Like everytime I saw things with my vision throug the lens of DP/DR, I kept thinking things weren’t real.
I think overtime, you will get over this delusion of the beings. Medication will calm your nerves. It will relax you.
But stick with the meds and talk to your doctor. That’s the strange thing about madness, it’s like it changes/colors your whole world. It’s like things have changed, and you feel helpless. You’re not I the control.
I felt that way 24/7, every second for 5 years. I’m finally over it. I wish the same for you…
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This stuff really helped me. I practiced it for some time for my delusions. Maybe I should try it again.
From wikipedia’s entry on Socratic Questioning:
A set of Socratic questions in cognitive therapy aim to deal with automatic thoughts that distress the patient:[14][15]
- Revealing the issue: ‘What evidence supports this idea? And what evidence is against its being true?’
- Conceiving reasonable alternatives: ‘What might be another explanation or viewpoint of the situation? Why else did it happen?’
- Examining various potential consequences: ‘What are worst, best, bearable and most realistic outcomes?’
- Evaluate those consequences: ‘What’s the effect of thinking or believing this? What could be the effect of thinking differently and no longer holding onto this belief?’
- Distancing: ‘Imagine a specific friend/family member in the same situation or if they viewed the situation this way, what would I tell them?’
Careful use of Socratic questioning enables a therapist to challenge recurring or isolated instances of a person’s illogical thinking while maintaining an open position that respects the internal logic to even the most seemingly illogical thoughts.
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I don’t know how to not care… But I am tired of thinking so much. I tried to convince myself that the beings were really just my thoughts, but it didn’t work. I don’t believe that.
The signs all pointed to this direction when they told me to believe, plus the thought in my head, that says “trust your mind.” Maybe I should keep thinking. They couldn’t just be my thoughts. How would they talk to me in this manner. Can my thoughts themselves fight to break the wall?
I would talk to your therapist about this. I’m sure he/she could really help you sort that out.
To me, in layman terms. a thought is just a biochemical reaction/physical product of the brain. There’s nothing mysterious going on ( is this me being lucid today? 
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I sometimes have thoughts of past lives or past lives memories, which make me think I’m special or something or the brain has whoo whoo magic like quantum mechanical processes going on ( think quantum consciousness, which is still considered pseudo-science by some). ( I’m a fan of it. Like the work of Hameroff and Penrose and microtubials. It explains the mystical and magical). Otherwise, it’s just physical. Nothing extraordinary going on. Just a really complex, 3lb piece of meat. A superintelligent one at that.
Madness is complex and confusing, and we suffer. It sucks. We tend to jump to our own conclusions to make sense of it.
Some people just settle and embrace their delusions. ( been there, done that). Only way I can get over mine is to not care about being right. It’s like proving the existence of God.
A lot of what you write seems to be delusions. Delusions are a symptom of schizophrenia. Maybe that is why your doctor thinks you have schizophrenia.
de·lu·sion
[dəˈlo͞oZHən]
NOUN
- an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
“the delusion of being watched”
- the action of deluding or the state of being deluded.
“what a capacity television has for delusion”
I am not doubting you or I have schizophrenia.
Maybe this isn’t an either/or question,. Maybe we need a both/and solution. That is, maybe you have schizophrenia and there is some strange shite in the universe that people don’t know much about.
If you have schizophrenia and go off medication, your disease is likely to worsen. I appreciate that you’re pretty uncomfortable now; things could get worse.
Wish I could help you by the dint of my own experience. I was doing well on mediation at the age of 25 and the doctor took me off. I was hard to convince I needed medication after that. I nearly died, and I suffered a lot of pain. Now I’m finally stabilized, but on a much higher dose of medication than I was before.
Keep showing up!
Jayster
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Well regardless of what you believe or know or experience. The fact that this is a dilemma and your actively trying to solve something, is bad. It’s not a puzzle or a battle or an attack. It just simply is. And you need to make peace with that. All I am saying is your using too much mental energy on this. The crucial energy you need to hold reality together.
When you don’t have regular access to a doctor, it’s a bad idea to stop or change meds.
You all are so strong. You give advice that is hard for me to swallow. I am having trouble believing you. The thoughts in my head are relentless. I have believed in the beings for so long, because they seem so real. There is a supernatural force entangled with my thoughts. I believe it is them. There is chaos in my thoughts. I believe it is them. How do you stop yourself from believing something? How do you convince yourself that your mind is betraying you? Trying to figure out what’s happening in my head is killing me. My mind is flooded with thoughts about awakening. Getting off meds will help me open my mind, that’s what they said. I believe this idea was put into my head by God. There were signs. Thoughts like “trust your mind” don’t help things. Why should I believe others over my own mind? The beings seem to be part of my mind. Why shouldn’t I believe them? They have lied before. I shouldn’t trust them, but on this, I do. Why? Why can’t I figure this out? I’m relying on what? Neutral chaos? What the hell am I supposed to do?
They’ve lied to me before. I’ve gotten signs about things that weren’t true before. Why does this time feel so different? They could be lying, couldn’t they?
“They” are entangled in my thoughts. They’re part of me… ■■■■ everything.
I would just relax and get some rest. You’re thinking too much. I did the same thing for years.
You say you shouldn’t trust others over your own mind, but that isn’t always helpful or true. I challenge you to question that thinking.
My thoughts are wrong constantly. Apply the scientific method to your voices if you have them. I tested my thoughts and images that I got in my head before, and they were wrong.
I posted some weird ■■■■ here on the forums and it made me feel better over the past 3 years. Medication helps me too. Medication helps with positive symptoms. It’s hard to get better when you have extreme emotions and can’t think straight.
If you think the voices are divine, ask them what the one inch equation for the unified field theory is. ( I’ve probably asked stuff like that before haha.) I now ask simpler questions like "whats this test question answer?"I figured it’s my mind making stuff up. Faulty guessing/unable to predict things or the need to predict things. Truth is I do much better at tests studying hard than relying on my intuition, guessing, or believing I have psychic powers. My psychic powers are only useful for philosophizing.
Sometimes I think I’m talking to God/Aliens/or whatever, that I’m psychic, but there’s nothing divine or spiritual about it for me–not anymore. The truth is there is no enlightenment, at least 99 out of 100 times. I can name a few like Ghandi or Jesus but most people are just regular folks. Schizophrenia is a pain in my ass.
I got stuck in a stinky pattern of thinking or loop for years. It just tormented me and made me very anxious. I had panic attacks about it. We need to control our thoughts and what we put into our heads. I learned that with dealing with my philosophical thoughts and reading about DP/DR. We tend to over think a lot.
Nature helps. When’s the last time you went for a walk? Calming music helps me.
Talking in group therapy ( it’s called processing) helped me a lot. In group, you bring up emotions with similar folks, a therapist, and you get useful feedback and understanding. It’s a safe way to challenge thoughts or irrational thinking and relieve some stress in the long run. Initially, it might cause discomfort, but it was better for me than just talking to my family about my schizophrenia. Sometimes, family and friends aren’t the best.
My mom is really religious, so I couldn’t get much help about my delusions. She already struggled with my diagnosis. I needed a professional setting.
I barely told my one friend anything. I’m still too embarrassed.
At least with process group it’s confidential and you’ll never meet the strangers in group again. Combined with the right medication, I’m finally happy/content living with schizophrenia. It took 6 years of hell.
I hope to go back to school, lose weight, and get a job someday. I need to work on my hygiene. I have my moments where I struggle.
I believe you will get better.
Thank you for trying to help me, but I’m having a hard time convincing myself of the things that you and others are telling me. I don’t belong here. I’m sorry.
My mind is crumbling.
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I’m so sorry. I’m concerned for you. When do you see your therapist? Do you share everything with him/ her? Is there someone where you are that can help you get help?
Are you still taking your meds or have you skipped some doses?