I’ve always been more of a fan of learning a trade at a community college.
You get an associate’s degree or certificate and a way more marketable skill in the process.
Exactly why I oppose academia in almost all its forms. I’m sick of the academic apparatus being complacent in taking money from, fooling, and backstabbing young Americans. I’m sick of the trust that the apparatus has for nothing. They don’t benefit from getting people jobs, but they benefit from getting money out of people to push their own ideology.
No, instead I’m happy to become a electrician either union or no union and become further educated through a trade, something that’ll always be with us as long as civilization exists.
I guess I have issue with governments giving grants to people to pursue a degree that no one uses in a professional job. They don’t help Americans out. If the State truly cares about young Americans other than taking their money, you’d see less useless degrees.
The expectation that degree = instant high pay is not the reality
You still need to prove yourself like everyone else
I did mine to become educated after failing high school
The job benefits came much later
But I did it for myself without regard of what money or job I’d get immediately after
My studies were done to improve myself
I did my economics degree in order to improve life standards, but I realised it wasn’t as simple as that. So the physics degree im doing right now, it’s just for personal motivation
The transition from tertiary education such as University and College to relevant full-time employment has been difficult for some people. There are programs such as co-ops (co-operative education) that involve educational institutions and employers to assist in these transitions. However, there are those College students who do not find matching employment and are left working at menial jobs. For example, earning a College Degree in Arts majoring in say visual arts is in low demand by employers. The student majoring in visual arts with have a difficult time finding employment compared to a student who has majored in accounting under a business degree.
@Montezuma @John_Raven That’s great that the 2x of you studied in trades training instead of University. There are some guys who try to become electricians or welders, mechanics, carpenters, plumbers, machinists, technicians etc…but don’t make it. The same concept can be applied to College & University students as well.
MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), Harvard Business School and Yale University would not be able to graduate the finest computer inventors, corporate businessmen or government politicians without the tens of thousands of students applying and operating on the revenue generated from student tuition.
I would say 25% of students who graduate from University or College will not find a matching job in their field of expertise but the remaining 75% of students will find a job matching their degree.
In any given general population, the reality is that an undergraduate degree, graduate degree, master’s degree or Doctorate of Philosophy (PhD) do earn higher incomes than those people who don’t. A six-digit figure income is a norm for these highly educated people and that is fact. But it also depends on what field that degree is earned in whether it be business administration, medicine, engineering or computer science.
This is the beginning of them attempting to dissolve the need for college because they are desperate to maintain class rule
For the poor:
No unions. No higher education. And no options
@FreeLunch Social Economic class rule is the norm for most countries in the world including East Asian countries such as China, Japan & South Korea.
For the poor: Charles Darwin’s message of, “Survival of the Fittest”.
That’s a grim picture I think. I recognize the existence of class structure but I still think that unions should enable the working class, I still think that education should be a universal right to higher degrees. I don’t know maybe I tend toward egalitarian perspective on social rights
@FreeLunch Yeah, Labour Unions do provide power against the bourgeousis to those who are in the working class.
Only education can change the social economic class of family households from poor to rich. This is fact and even the elite admit this social mobility.
I agree. Which is why the US right is moving us towards abolition of public higher education. They don’t want to enable the social mobility of predominant left voters (afamericans in many cases)
I don’t think you fully realize the difference here. Generally people in the trades already have a job working as an apprentice and have a much higher chance of having a job once their “schooling” is over. Often, they are part of a trade union as well.
It’s a question of work being promised to you. Skilled labor doesn’t have to worry about finding work.
@FreeLunch I don’t believe aboliting higher education is the answer.
I am not familiar with the class struggle of African Americans and the social mobility difficulties they face.
Yeah, I know. Trades apprenticeships of whom learn from Master Tradesmen usually are hired immediately. My father is a Machinist of whom learned his trades from a technical institution.
They are seriously underfunded in education and also unfairly incarcerated
So I hear from other sources as well. It’s unfortunate but the African American population still needs to continue breaking that glass ceiling to succeed. Barack Obama, Lloyd Austin, Collin Powell are some that have broken those glass ceilings. I find that being a descendant of slaves even more dis-heartening since their surname cannot trace their roots back to continental Africa. Very sad.
All’s I know is I had/am having an extremely difficult time finding employment pertinent to my college degree.
…I graduated and got sick soon after, so maybe that’s why?
@FreeLunch @John_Raven I do agree with some of your sentiments concerning the monolith that is higher education. As a sociology major, it’s plain to see that there is some sort of class strife forming due to the “false” promises being made by higher ed institutions and the reality one faces upon entering the job market.
@FreeLunch I am hopeful that instead of the removal of access to higher ed for all, the States will shift to a more egalitarian European system: low cost, high quality education for those who seek it.