Everybody talks about heaven. Nobody wants to talk about hell

I don’t worry myself with the Christian definition. Their problem, not mine.

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Threats don’t work in the long run.

Well we should all know Christian or not, that fear can be a bad adversary. As for the devil…

If you think you are beaten, you are
If you think you dare not, you don’t,
If you like to win, but you think you can’t
It is almost certain you won’t.

If you think you’ll lose, you’ve lost
For out of the world we find,
Success begins with a fellow’s will
It’s all in the state of mind.

If you think you are outclassed, you are
You’ve got to think high to rise,
You’ve got to be sure of yourself before
You can ever win a prize.

Life’s battles don’t always go
To the stronger or faster man,
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the man WHO THINKS HE CAN! [1]

I have this up on my wall.

…who thinks he can win and WANTS TO. I soon found out it was better not to try to win. As a person mentally ill, neveragain, I’m surprised you would quote such a “mind over matter” poem,

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Well my mothers father, grand-dad quoted it as a football coach to his players and I kept it on the inside of my bedroom door in HS when I was wrestling and making weight. Anyhow, Mind over matter is a lot in me-I’m ex military.

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Yeah, but that’s your past - before your mind snapped.

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Snapped? Is that all you can think of when positive integration is about to be embraced to the greatest understandings of all time? Anyhow you’re right, my military days are gone and even when they were…I wasn’t the best.

But before I snapped, or whatever this thing did…I was a very handsome, young paratrooper and basic marine. And my first Harley was bought at 20, and I was a successful young man. And as a 31 year old man, I know more about the simple facts:

(gosh dangit if you don’t do this now and take care of it you’ll pay for it later.)

There are other insights into mental illness - like someone kicked my head and it made my head make voices. Brain injured instead of “mentally ill”.

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My soon to be (ex brother in law marrie dmy sister) was double tapped by a terrorist in Iraq while he was in the infantry…He was wearing a helmet and received a hard two shot groups on the Kevlar. He was awarded the purple heart and was a non commissioned officer in the US army infantry…(he was a sgt.) He has a very bad traumatic brain energy.

Philosophically they are both absurd. I guess the reason people tend to talk about heaven , is that it suggests a positive outcome. Hell is just a frame of mind as is heaven

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I’ve been watching a lot of videos on Youtube about near death experiences. Most people report heaven as wonderful beyond words. There are also horrific accounts of hell. It seems that recently there are a lot more hellish near death experiences on the internet. I think the Christian fundamentalists have flooded the internet with hellish near death experiences because they need the doctrine of hell to control people. Before that started to happen the great majority of the near death stories were heavenly - about ninety per cent. I’m uncomfortable with the notion of a loving God who loves us so much but just has to inflict intolerable suffering on some of us for eternity.

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Hello SoItGoes

I never indulged in drugs, but I drank alcohol a great deal and have been dry for almost twenty years. My youngest son was just diagnosed bipolar and went through a period of self discovery but went the way of drugs. We were talking the other day and mentioned to him that perhaps the drugs were the problem and how this all began. He stop and looked both my wife and me in the face and said that the drugs were not the problem it was the solution at the time it masked the problems he was having before he started taking drugs. You started drugs to help you cope with the world you did not understand and the problems that were already there. Your sz is not the byproduct of drugs but was the cover up of other problems perhaps developing at a time you needed to find answers within yourself.

As for hell we all can imagine hell but that description changes per individual. I am atheist but can imagine a place that could cause me great pain and suffering but it is in my power to avoid these places. I have always believed that we are not responsible for the things that happen in this reality for we do not act alone and in the fulness of the mind of the soul.

Powessy

Thanks for the consoling words… My life just got ■■■■■■ over and I don’t know what to make of it.

“If you’re going through hell, keep going”.

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Stopping to buy souvenirs is bad. Showing them off to others is worse.

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That made me think… Souvenirs of madness. Perhaps no one wants to see that.

It’s like having a tumour. I’ve got sympathy for someone who has to go and get it removed. Two decades on, if they have kept the tumour preserved in formaldehyde and have to plop the jar it is stored in onto the table every time we have coffee to display it to me, well, that’s someone I don’t need in my life. At some point you have to leave the past in the past.

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