"Enlightenment" The theories

Over the last few years I have undertook a path to find it, but found that there are so many assumptions about what it is and how to go about it.

I have conflicting ideas about it and understand that religion cannot be discussed, so don’t!

First I read Eckart Tolle and found it very interesting and it was a good starting point with a lot of tips of what enlightenment could be.

Then I read Alan Watts and it delved further into the realm and got a little more complicated.

Then I moved on to J Krishnamurti who is more complex still and fascinating

I gathered my thoughts on this and would like to discuss it.

The first precept of enlightenment without the religious concepts of Buddhist or otherwise is that the past is dead and the future lives in the imagination. There is only the present.

It is hard to grasp as all humans have been conditioned to believe that they are the culmination of the whatever happened to them in their life. Every event from one to another, added up to make up who you are. We are led to believe that we are individuals and live as tiny islands and that upon this island every second of the past has built up a library of what we are. All we need to do is reference the memories and hallucinations in our brain and act according to it.

What the ‘enlightened’ tell us is that this is all an illusion and that to live a fulfilled, satisfactory and enlightened life the previous paragraph should be dismissed as a concept. The knowledge that we have accrued only serves to continue this polluted and corrupt society.

To live a life without past entirely would make us a vegetable, but to exist in the present without labelling, naming or judging leads to a lighter life. A life without the observer making comments on all it experiences. Just to be in fact.

To be able to retreat to this inner core of silence which is who we all are in essence, but we have been programmed to act, respond and behave according to what we have learned from others is what the ‘enlightened’ have.

How to achieve this? Well, that is the question!

It seems some stumble on it and it just happens to them. All of sudden there is no self so to speak.

Personally, I can comprehend it intellectually, but have been unable to let go of the past or my self. I have started the journey to self discovery and EMDR’d my trauma lessening the burden of the past. I sleep better and through meditation have made my mind less frantic and still. I have a way to go but have made tremendous leaps into finding peace.

There are other concepts of enlightenment like the notion of there being no ‘I’ altogether, but if you want to discuss it then we can in this thread.

What do you think of enlightenment? Is it a load of tosh to you? What is enlightenment to you? How would you describe it? Do you like my concept of it? Can you make a better description?

Cheers :slight_smile:

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I don’t think I’ve ever understood “enlightenment” and the journey to it.

Always thought it was silly.

Isn’t enlightenment just knowledge of a bigger picture and a sense of peace that comes with it?

Maybe.

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Enlightenment is a label. There is a threshold you cross when you realize that you will always be learning and you will never figure it out completely. I never got into spirituality for enlightenment, I got into it because I was in a lot of emotional pain and I needed a fresh perspective on life. Being present and mindful is basic, but it is actually the most important facet of enlightened living because it is done every day at all times. Anyway, I’m not so sure that it led me to sanity, but I did realize that consciousness is the fundamental reality, which means every perspective is valid because every expression of consciousness is real. So the idea of enlightenment, IDK it just seems like another way of not allowing yourself to be fully in the moment right now. Like there will be some imaginary moment in the future where you will have it all figured out. I don’t think that will ever be the case, at least for me.

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@crazydiamond444
I don’t know what I thought enlightenment to be in the first place. I just wanted for my suffering to stop and most people have an idealised version of what enlightenment is and the end of suffering is supposed to be that. I mean with a previous religious context that is what it is meant to be.

I learned that this is not the case from a different source. Suffering goes on even in enlightenment. you still feel pain etc. It is just that you have whole new perspective on life, and like most things they don’t control you any longer.

The end of suffering doesn’t exist, but happiness increases as a direct result of being aware is the new goal for me.

Could be… :slight_smile:

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I think it is kind of an illusory concept. It depends on the definition obviously. If your definition is to have thoughts that are harmonious with everything and not become angry or agitated or sad etc. at the world then a psychiatric condition that affects mood would make enlightenment impossible. I dont think enlightenment is a real thing because im more biased towards materialism and dont believe in mind over matter

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Materialism doesn’t bring happiness except for a brief moment though. Surely, enlightenment is the love and happiness of discovering your true self without the need for material goods to do it, because no matter how much one acquires there is still a trapped, empty human in his mansion.

Please elaborate what you mean by this. cheers.

That is a valid point indeed. Food for thought. :slight_smile:

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I understand wisdom as a willingness to always learn.

The fool thinks he knows everything

I think enlightenment is not a thing to be reached but a state to be in. Not found in a destination but in a journey.

To always say “I know not” as if you were only a beginner in your seeking and always listen to the wisdom others speak.

I think wisdom is a state of loving wisdom, which is only perpetuated by loving and seeking wisdom.

Keep seeking at all times and it will be your permenate state.

That’s my 2 cents

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Yeah after going deep into philosophy i realised i know nothing

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Revernance of the truth

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Men are runners, some are faster than others. These we call wise. But none can compare with the speed of light. But if we run and run then we gain not just runners legs, but runners minds. And aren’t a runners legs the only thing holding him back from reaching the speed he wishes to attain in his heart. He sees the speed of eagle, and horse, and sound, and light and wishes to be like them, but his legs won’t allow it.

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What books are you reading amigo? :slight_smile: I like your style.

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Haha thanks. I’m reading a fishing book ATM :smile:

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The total fishing manual it’s called. Intriguing :face_with_monocle:

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By materialism i didnt mean consumerism i meant that physical matter is more important than ideas or spirit. Thats what i meant by i dont believe in mind over matter, enlightenment is just ideas in my opinion and physical conditions of the body are more important. If you eat well and are well rested and get regular exercise and are in a good situation in life then you will probably achieve some of the purported ends of enlightenment

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