Enlightened,

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Worship anything you want, god, gods, matter, gurus, holy people, anything, and sacrifice everything for them,
After a while you will be a horrible person, unable to love,
Worship yourself and then you will feel energy in yourself and love for others,

I know its contradicting all of holy teachings but I’m talking from my experience,

Worship yourself, love yourself and then you will feel love for the whole universe,

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Nicely put…!!! Ali the great…!!! Was up…

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Nothing,
Have put 15 years of my life in trash to find the truth and ended up as a devil,
Don’t suppress ego, ego or self is the only treasure we have saving us in this world and then whole of the holy world trying to convince us that we should neglect and suppress it,
They want us to be miserable, they want to rOb it from us and have been successful,

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Weren’t you a Muslim? @aliali

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I’m living in a Muslim country and am familiar with its teachings but never been a regular Muslim,
There’s no difference, all of religions I know are similar in the matter of suppressing the ego and neglecting it,
Ego should regulate itself and comes into harmony with other people’s egos to make it possible to have a nice society but shouldn’t be suppressed entirely,
This act causes disasters as in my case, it produces people who have nothing else to lose and are dangers to themselves and others,

In my case muslim sophists and Hindu sophists were responsible but all other religions I know are not better than them, they are all the same in this matter,

In short: " ego shouldn’t be suppressed but must be hormonised with others"

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@aliali

I’ve been thinking of this too. Do I want to be an active homosexual male or do I want to deny that and appease a higher power. I’ve so many questions.

:smiling_imp:

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I’ve found enlightenment to be a chemical process. It’s neurons firing. Most schizophrenics have approached the infinite. Dealing with that and moving forward is the real journey.

I’ve met far too few realized souls! That is my journey!

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I was pretty good at that until I sobered up.

Now I try to put my energy into improving my community.

:blush:

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Fascinating! You are in the right derection with the 18th century European thinkers for Enlightenment movement.

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It’s a ‘game’ … You have this ‘no-repress policy’ and thus you neither repress ‘ego’ nor do you repress/ridicule ‘religion’ at least that’s how my current understanding of how things stand

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You are a part of community too, all I say is:
Don’t neglect yourself for community and respect yourself and your rights at least as others in your community,
Be in harmony instead of neglecting yourself,
A man who suppresses himself then tends to suppress others, this is the danger that I see,
Be nice and respect yourself and then you will be nice and fruitful to others too,

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Can you describe it more?

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Oh, man. You do NOT want to see me without impulse control. (I use my inside voice a lot.) Heading to bed now, will post on this more tomorrow after work if thread hasn’t been locked.

Cheers.

:blush:

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Exactly! 121212

So , be careful with those people who preach on patriotism, collectivism and sacrifice. They may sincere, but their theory is dangerous.

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It seems you completely understand me, you can not sacrifice and yet not want anything in reward, in its most high level you will feel special and chosen by god, and this is dangerous,
At least you will want special respect from others or from god, and this is not some good feelings to have, I don’t know how to describe it,

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I don’t want to deny chemistry, but what made me sick was not this chemistry but this kind of thoughts that influenced me,
I use meds now and maybe for the rest of my life,
However I understand what you say,
I had an abnormal experience but that didn’t made me sick but by trying to repeat it by following those who claim that are holy,

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Buddha sat in front of a tree for 7 years. I’d imagine that would give you some psychotic thought!

We all follow our own journey. I’m not being critical. I’m just saying. Our most profound states may just be little chemical games. With that in mind you still need an ethos! That isn’t a bad thing!

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Is englightment a chemical imbalance…!!!

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I think it’s a chemical state! All’s I’m saying but greater minds than mine have wrestled with these questions! It’s well beyond me!

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