yesterday Phil asked to go in there and get him another tall boy
I said, No, Phil, I’m not doing that
I’m getting used to going in there and not headed straight for the cooler
then he said, How about a bottle of wine, you don’t have to drink beer.
No, Phil, absolutely not.
it’s not going to easy with him.
The problem is that the vast majority of addicts recover without treatment, so it’s actually probably counterproductive to make it seem like treatment is the solution.
in all due respect @anon9798425
I don’t think you know anything about it.
When I’ve been in rehab, there were people in there
who had already been in there 3 times.
They tell you, Keep trying until you get it right.
But do they?
I was going right from coffee to beer, every day.
I’d be drinking by 9 a’m. This is not just some
simple set your mind to it. I needed help.
And I’m not going back into rehab, I hated it.
I might say the wrong thing, and everybody would be laughing at me.
I’ve been in rehab myself. I was an addict for 10 years. But I’ve also read statistics about this.
alright. Were they pd. sz’s with thoughts of being watched by thousands of people
and were they able to relax with all those thoughts
if they didn’t, then I can see quitting with will power.
NPR just had a story on with beer in it, bas-tards.
Nobody’s quits it all when I’m quitting.
it’s everywhere.
What I’m saying is that the idea that addicts don’t recover without treatment is a myth. Most addicts who recover do so without treatment. That is not to say that treatment isn’t useful for most or necessary for many.
F-uck most people, I don’t appreciate this @anon9798425
I think we made a good enough argument in this thread
Why are you angry with me?
These are not random opinions that I just came up with to discredit your experiences.
The fact that most people who recover from addiction do so without treatment is a cause for hope. It is also a good reason to caution against thinking of addiction as something we can never control or take personal responsibility for. It is not an insult directed at you for needing treatment, or an argument against treatment.
That many do well without treatment does not mean you were just too irresponsible to quit on your own. It just means that the idea that we can’t quit without treatment is a potentially harmful myth.
Fine, I’d prefer agreeable comments to a serious problem.
I understand what you’re saying, but nobody needs to be
a poster child of success.
There’s a real chance of true failure, always, always an addict.
I’d prefer a discussion grounded in reality as opposed to one that just makes us feel better about ourselves. A serious problem deserves a candid discussion.
No one is saying this. I’ve been through years of addiction treatment, myself.
And remember, there is no shame,
my family and rehab tried doing that to me.
totally wrong, in every way.
I’m not taking that.
Anyway, I’m doing well. just be happy.
they did that, probably because I’m a woman.
but I hate to pull that card.
I am happy that you’re doing well and don’t understand why you think I’m not.
then start your own thread on addictions
and the stats. I don’t care.
Do you want a discussion or a soap box? Because this is a public forum. You’re taking this way too personally. None of it was directed at you.
Yeah, your’e making me feel like I should be able to do this on my own
because everybody else does. I’ve explained, I can’t. I’ve tried.
The pills are helping, that’s all I know, and all I need to know.
I’ve heard it described as a learning disability. I got this from one book called “Unbroken Brain.” In it, the author takes issue with calling it “abuse” at all. And also says that hitting rock bottom is not necessarily a good thing, bc people are more likely to recover when they are working and surrounded by people. I.E Connection.
No, you are making yourself feel that way. No one is saying this. I’ve taken a lot of care not to imply this. Other people’s successes do not make you a failure. What works for some people does not necessarily work for you.