I truly believe that the trauma people may experience has much more impact than any type of cannabis usage. Does anyone have a belief perhaps that a series of traumatic events eventually breaks the mind into a mess you just can’t fix? I believe it does, and I also believe that the VA has no concern with my well being at all. This is all too frustrating, and I recently missed an appointment.
Most of the time I just drink all day. I don’t see a reason for living really anymore, I’m not very happy inside and haven’t been for years. Everything is changing and completely out of my control it seems. Why just throw meds at people and then don’t even say a word to them about their problems?
I got lost hiking in the Rocky Mountains and shortly after I had a psychotic break and was diagnosed with schizophrenia.
It seems odd to me that schizophrenia is caused by both environmental and genetic factors but most of the illness is treated by simply physical means (pills). The environmental causes are almost entirely ignored or forgotten.
I do believe that for some… trauma was so great the mind could no longer hold on. It makes perfect sense. I’m so sorry you got put through that.
I also have great belief that the mind… being tissue as well… has the ability to heal up a bit.
As far as throwing meds at something and not saying a word to them about their problems?.. Therapy… talk it out… Start here and grow… as time goes on… you might want to go to the VA and see if there is a therapist you trust. Or maybe one not affiliated with the military at all.
I’m sorry your feeling this and I’m glad your holding on. You have mentioned that there are people in your life who love you. There were times I was ONLY holding on for my kid sister. As I began to hold on more… I found I was healing.
The alcohol might be making things harder too. My meds didn’t work right when I was drinking heavily. I hope that healing vibe begins to kick in for you.
I completely agree with you, friend. And I don’t believe any pills ever really helped. I feel that these environmental factors and trauma are the cause…not cannabis usage lol. But I’ve been wrong many a time, but I just believe that something else in the cards is there…
I haven’t drank for two days, most of the time I get drunk every day and I’m pretty much a directionless black sheep. The VA isn’t concerned with me getting therapy, in fact it’s almost as if I embody a dark secret that people want to file away and shut up. And it really frustrates me, I’m really really confused and sad. As for my PTSD, they’ve labeled me with depression…this guys is depressed because:
He had his cheek ripped off by a pittbull at five and needed two plastic surgeries. BTW, his father found his cheek mowing the lawn, showed it to him and then threw it in a garbage can.
Or maybe it’s because he was pimped into a war (since he was already in basic when sept 11th happened). His family had no college money left due to his sister’s schooling (or lack of rather).
Or maybe it was all the people he bombed with high explosive and white phosphorus…
Maybe it was being gang raped on a sail boat for no apparent reason.
Maybe it was the day to day hallucinations of the rape and how normal people should have the choice whether or not they should keep going.
No one in the VA or my family, or my little group of friends can help me it seems so…■■■■ it
I may just start drinking again. I hate my life and the traumas won’t ever stop with my condition which is some curse that wasn’t what I ever wished upon anyone.
Environmental doesn’t mean non-physical. The impact of ‘environmental’ effects is generally physical. For example stress has very significant and very real physical effects on the brain and body in general.
I think trauma definitely increases someones chances of getting a mental illness, and is often a key factor, but it isn’t always the cause. I’ve not had any trauma myself before becoming mentally ill
I’ve not had trauma before I was ill, but this illness has been involved in some events I’ve found pretty traumatic, and which still really effect me badly. I felt how you feel many times. I’ve been sick of it, I am sick of it, and I’ve thought about and attempted suicide in the past. I’m by no means happy now, but I’ve begun to be cautiously optimistic. I just hope that things will keep improving and I’ll be able to live a life I can enjoy. It takes effort and time, and a lot of patience to get through the hardest parts, but there’s always a chance of positive things.
I really hope you don’t kill yourself. Try to find something that you can hold onto to help you get through things and hopefully you’ll look back and be glad you didn’t end it. For me it was music, it’s something that has really helped keep me alive and I’m glad for it. I spent ages where I could barely even feel anything anymore a lot of the time, the main exception being self-hatred, and I thought it was never gonna change, but eventually it did. Hold onto hope!
I’m a song writer, but all my gf does is complain about the noise I make. It’s really hurtful and we’ve been arguing lately and I’m just inclined to get out a shotgun and just end it for myself. I know the truth, and I don’t have schizophrenia. My whole life and credibility has been destroyed by our nations government. I hope that someday these people will pay for what they’ve done to their own children. They’re scabs, people who work in these (mind research) fields have no scruples or business doing what they do.
What I’m saying is maybe ALL OF YOU, are victims of trauma based mind control and remote neural monitoring mimics the symptoms of schizophrenia. But in reality it is REAL PEOPLE, SCABS of people taking your mind and playing with it.
THat’s where your tax money goes, we trusted a nation to take care of us and they declared war on the people, especially the children who had to participate in war. I don’t think life is worth it from what I have learned and know. I just can’t honestly believe that people like this even exist. Scabs of human beings.
I used to drink all day after working out. That’s effective self medication, but the antipsychotics can do the same thing without killing your liver and making you illegal to be in public or drive a car.
There are many outdated and many unsupported causation theories. Trauma can indeed trigger schizophrenia in those with a genetic predisposition. Keep in mind that you have to have genes for it, lots of people smoke pot and experience trauma but lots of people are not schizophrenic.
LMAO yes I know the feeling. I am on too many motherfreaking pills. The doctors dont even like it, they give me the least amount of meds as possible, but unfortunately that amount is quite a large amount.
Medication can really work, though. Mine works pretty well, it’s not perfect but it makes me a different person than when I am not on enough meds.
I have to take it easier than I want to sometimes. Im on zyprexa in addition to a large dose of geodon and some other ■■■■ to contain an episode right now. It causes shitty side effects and makes me feel rather…shitty. My approach is to endure the psychosis and push myself, which is basically the bane of my existence- I never know when I have gone too far! Other people, my friends and family and doctors have to intervene and tell me that I am not okay, that I need to calm down, that I am behaving badly, ect.
But don’t let people piss in your mind, as you said they do. If people aren’t good for you, f–k them, only associate with people who are good for you. I had to learn this the hard way, I now have friends who accept me for who I really am, I don’t feel like I am pretending to be normal around them. Even my professors know that I am f–ked up but have very redeeming qualities like my intelligence and desire for knowledge, anyone at first glance can tell that I am motivated by my muscular physique.
I have to admit defeat today. I am going to have to take it very easy and just go to the gym. I have the whole weekend to study for a big test in my research and stats class. Today I have to just pamper myself to keep from losing it. But things are ok- I got my classes for next semester planned out by my advisor yesterday and I am on track to get the degree I want. Zyprexa is containing my episode but its making me feel hungry and sleep too much. I cant wait to get taken off of it. The doc said he just wants me on it temporarily to keep a lid on my head. I was out of control just a couple of days ago.
We are more than just genetic mishaps, we can do whatever we want to. You just have to truly want to do whatever you want to, you need a passion for something that is stronger than your illness.
I believe that all my ideas ever produced have been stolen, along with many of my colleagues of military and what not. Now we have brain controlled drones and chip implantations and (humanity’s barbed wire) projects. We will literally all be crucified for any thought, any action of memory, everything. There is no way out truthfully.
Trauma can be a trigger but as not all who have been traumatised develop severe mental illness this points to the need for other factors before severe mental illness develops.
But what about Dabrowski’s theory of positive integration? Like stress is needed, this trauma, to develop ourselves? Both models contradict each other and I’m not sure which to believe. I don’t need more development I say, I want the truth as to how this happened when I have no family history of schizophrenia. Where does it come to be that only I out of all our generations has this so called (illness). I’ve been involved with my work for uncle sam and some of that stuff was scary out of control ■■■■. I feel this is a follow up for what had already been done and that my whole soul is an experiment for govt officials. I can’t stand the thought of how real and true this could be for any (natural person). Like, “oh well he cropped up to be mentally ill suddenly because we never know about schizophrenia”. I mean DON’T LIE TO ME…these people probably have the key to get deaf people to hear and schizos to never suffer again. And the people who may have the technology sure as hell didn’t invent it but they’d like to abuse it wouldn’t they?
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But what about Dabrowski’s theory of positive integration? Like stress is needed,
this trauma, to develop ourselves? [/quote]
As with a lot of psychology, but not all,highly theoretical and suppositional . Whereas some stress may be needed for self development when it goes beyond an optimal point,which differs from individual to individual, then it’s effects can be counterproductive.
As the level of stress needed to trigger SMI will differ from individual to individual, government policy may have a detrimental effect on general mental health but as for targeting at an individual level- I don’t think so.