Cursed earth

I think being ambitious about WHAT

Helping humanity like making a difference - that is right

Helping yourself is selfish imho . - ambitious about power , money , status etc is delusion and stupid imho

I would like to make a lot of money and have a senior position. Not a lot of money but at least 75k per year by the time I’m 35. I don’t have good focus and health so this might be absolute. I am selfish, I would like to enjoy my life and spend money on fashion. I’ve done a lot of charities in the past and I was even vegan but making money is not a bad thing. If I have kids, i would like for them to have a future and not be miserable.

Rest assured you are selfish :slight_smile: nyway take it easy…my whole point was the focus which was important -if the focus is ONLY on making money then it’s stupid . But if the focus is on making money to help other people then it makes sense to make a lot of money . I am not telling that we should not spend money on ourselves – we ideally should when we do have the money but our main focus should be always on helping others . I am going through a mental illness too and. I have been forcefully taken to an asylum in the past but I have not lost my focus .

Anyway to each their own viewpoints so I am fine with your view too

I am forced by dint of considerable post-graduate education in social – as well as clinical – psychology plus 28 years in the field to agree with these numbers. It seems clear to me that the vast majority of people spend their entire lives in a state Charles Tart and Arthur Deikman called the “consensus trance.” The vast majority of people think what they have been told to think. Including schizophrenics.

Other sociologists and social psychologists have written about it, as well. @Sarad is way up on this stuff in the European perspective, so I would ask her to provide whatever sources on this she may wish to provide. My own sources iclude:

Theodor Adorno, Daniel Levinson, et al: The Authoritarian Personality: Studies in Prejudice, orig. pub, 1950, New York: W. W. Norton, 1993.

Robert Altemeyer: The Authoritarian Specter, Boston: Harvard University Press, 1996.

Robert Altemeyer: The Authoritarians, Charleston, SC: Lulu, 2006.

Hannah Arendt: The Origins of Totalitarianism (The Burden of Our Time), orig. pub. 1951, New York: Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich, 1973.

S. E. Asch: Effects of Group Pressure upon the Modification and Distortion of Judgments, New York: Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1952.

Aaron Beck: Prisoners of Hate: The Cognitive Basis of Anger, Hostility and Violence; New York: Harper-Collins, 1999.

Peter L. Berger & Thomas Luckman: The Social Construction of Reality: A Treatise in the Sociology of Knowledge; New York: Doubleday, 1966.

David Berreby: Us & Them: The Science of Identity; U. of Chicago Press, 2005.

Allan Bloom: The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today’s Students; New York: Simon & Schuster, 1987.

Martin Buber: Productivity and Existence, in Maurice Stein et al (editors): Identity and Anxiety: Survival of the Person in Mass Society; Glencoe, IL: The Free Press, 1960.

Charles Cooley: Human Nature and the Social Order; Piscataway, NJ: Transaction, 1902, 1986.

Arthur Deikman: Them and Us: Cult Thinking and the Terrorist Threat; Berkeley, CA: Bay Tree Publishing, 2003.

Emile Durkheim: The Division of Labor in Society; orig. pub. 1883, London: The Free Press, 1933.

Stuart Ewen: Captains of Consciousness: Advertising and the Social Roots of the Consumer Culture; orig. pub. 1976, New York: Basic Books, 2001.

Erik Fromm: The Heart of Man: It’s Genius for Good and Evil; New York: Harper & Row, 1964.

Alexander Haslam & Stephen Reicher: Contesting the “Nature” of Conformity: What Milgram and Zimbardo’s Studies Really Show; in PLOS / Biology, Vol. 10, No. 11, November 2012.

George W. F. Hegel: The Phenomenology of Spirit (aka: Science of the Experience of Consciousness); orig. pub. 1806; tr. Miller, A. V., New York: Oxford U. Press, 1979.

Jules Henry: Culture Against Man; New York: Random House, 1963.

Jules Henry: On Sham, Vulnerability and other forms of Self-Destruction; London: Allan Lane Penguin Press, 1973.

Eric Hoffer: The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements; New York: Harper and Row, 1951, 1966.

Sidney Hook: Reason, Myths, and Democracy; Buffalo NY: Promethius Books, 1940, 1991.

Aldous Huxley: Science, Liberty and Peace: A thoughtful analysis of the individual today and his future in the world, New York: Harper & Brothers, 1946.

Karl Jaspers: The Axial Age of Human History, in Maurice Stein et al (editors): Identity and Anxiety: Survival of the Person in Mass Society; Glencoe, IL: The Free Press, 1960.

Julian Jaynes: The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind; Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1976.

Joel Kramer & Diana Alstad: The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power; Berkeley, CA: Frog , Ltd., 1993.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: The First & Last Freedom; New York: HarperCollins, 1954.

T. J. Jackson Lears: No Place of Grace: Antimodernism and the Transformation of American Culture, 1880-1920; Univ. of Chicago Press, 1994.

Jackson Lears: Rebirth of a Nation: The Making of Modern America, 1877-1920; New York: HarperCollins, 2009.

Robert J. Lifton: Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China; New York: W. W. Norton, 1961.

Walter Lippmann: Public Opinion; orig. pub. 1922, New York: Simon & Schuster / Free Press, 1997.

Iain McGilchrist: The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World; Cambridge MA: Yale University Press, 2009.

Stanley Milgram: Obedience to Authority, New York: Harper, 1974.

Arthur G. Miller: The Obedience Experiments, New York: Prager, 1984.

C. Wright Mills: The Power Elite; London: Oxford Univ. Press, 1956, 2000.

As I usually do when I lay out these lists, I stop halfway through the alphabet, because my purpose was simply to show those who are authoritarian that there are plenty of authorities on the subjects I bring up, and that I don’t come from my “good ideas” or “ill-informed opinions” when I write this stuff. (If anyone wants the rest of the list, reply to this post.)

thanks. I just enjoy luxury. It’s probably vain, I realize that. I might inject you you know :wink:

I think that we start gangs like protestant n,catholic,Baptist,Lutheran. .whatever! Man.

When you get right down to it ? these are just gangs.

belief in Christ and his way of living and your belief In that is a personal choice of how you live your life on a day to day basis.

I dont think that God asked us to take sides against each other.

Division is something that WE cooked up.

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so do I (enjoy luxury).

I think you did not grasp the subtle meaning of my words.

you can enjoy even when you are a begger…or you many not enjoy even when you are a billionaire…lets leave it for some other time.

take care…my delusisons or the medicine i was injected (probably by u …just kidding) is beginning to take effect:)

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I think to word to use is “unconscious” the vast majority of humans live in an unconscious consciousness which is basically consisting of conditioning (societal/parental/cultural/religious/governmental) etc. all their perceptions are unconscious . So they do not KNOW what they are doing but they think they know.

So in the end it goes around in a cycle .

In a truly conscious concisenessness all your precept ions would be spontaneous and correct . It goes deeper than that but probably my medicine is taking effect


VERY high five.

Precisely. And very much the objective of the mindfulness-based cognitive psychotherapies.

10 StEP –

I’ll write down just a few terms you can look up for, because you seem to figured it all :wink:

Michael Foucault, subjectification, the subject and power, power and knowledge, bio politics, history of sexuality
Louis Althuisser, *ISA:ideological state apparatuses *, *interpellation *.
Pierre Bourdieu, Symbolic Power
Terry Eagleton, *idea of culture *
Stuart Hall, identity, identity politics.