Beta male describe me well

Where are you finding all this garbage and why are you wasting/spending so much time on it, trying to justify your position in life?

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I guess its just the sz disabling me and I just want a reason idk.

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I am the alpha in my room but its only me :stuck_out_tongue:

Think of all the energy you’re wasting with this “research” and trying to justify what’s going on in your life, and the fact that you don’t do anything.

True, you have sz, and that makes things really really hard. True, you have meds that are knocking you out, to where you feel like you can’t get up and do anything.

But is this really what you want your life to be??

If you don’t, then take that energy and focus it on something else. You say you are stuck in bed 24/7 – I say you’re not. You get up several times a day – food, bathroom. Remember I recommended that you start off small, and just stay out of bed an extra minute? Maybe help your mom with the dishes?

What do you want your life to be? Spend some time while you’re in bed thinking about it.Maybe journal about it. Anything you want, no matter how ridiculous it sounds. You’re not going to feel passion or desire for it. But it’s something. And then you pick one teeny tiny action to start changing things up a little. You can do this. You need to do this.

I get angry about the beta male thing, because so called beta males have literally killed women over it. They think life has dealt them such a bad hand – and worse, that they are powerless to change it. And they blame everyone, but never take responsibility, never do anything to change.

I don’t want you to be that guy.

Changing will feel horrible and painful and hard.

It just will.

You have to be willing.

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Are you concerned that this perceived distinction will affect your ability to find a girlfriend? Or are you worried how other men will perceive you?

Because, as a person in a lot of female circles on social media, I can assure you that anyone that self-identifies as an alpha male is always assumed to be a bunch of red flags in a trench coat and not actually a human.

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I think it’s just sexualrelated. Especially amongst animals. When beta rocks your boat. Personally I am enough and at peace.

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There are actual evolutionary theories about mate selection in humans and they don’t fit with these concepts, you know.

These are just concepts invented by borderline-incel guys to justify the status quo so they have a reason to feel angry. Sometimes people don’t want to know they actually have a chance in life, because that means they might fail or have failed. But it’s not healthy to avoid your feelings and destroy your potential for personal development.

Beta, gamma, etc are all ridiculous concepts. They don’t map onto our society at all. And that “sigma” male concept is such an obvious attempt at regaining self-worth by inventing an “I reject this” category and making it equal to the top of the hierarchy. But if they didn’t subscribe to an all-encompassing and immutable justification for the current status quo where they’re completely helpless and worthless, they wouldn’t need to invent a category that makes them feel like they have some value and autonomy again. I’m sure you can see how silly this whole thing looks from the outside.

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Both, I am not even a beta I think now, maybe gamma or omega.

Stop. There is zero benefit, in any context, to categorizing yourself like this.

You’re a good person. You’re nice. You’re smart (and don’t come at with what used to be, you’re still really smart even if it’s affected in some ways). You’re fun to be around. And say much more because I only know you from a screen.

No human should be ranked as better or worse in any way in a functioning society.

Different people prioritize different qualities when looking for friends and partners. Ranking someone as an alpha based on the general criteria that I’ve heard, is nothing more than classist, ableist, sexist rhetoric pushed and supported solely by the patriarchy.

I think you need to talk to a therapist about why you are feeling less then someone else. Because it’s not healthy or useful in any way.

I wish I could take this sadness away from you. You deserve so much more. :purple_heart:

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The incel sub culture on the internet did jump on the band wagon and started using these terms but these terms were used in the scientific literature long before the incel internet subculture became a thing.

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I think that whole alpha/beta thing is badly overworked. Human nature is too complex to fit into two catagories. What do you call and “alpha” that is an accomplished liar? What do you call an accomplished artist? Most of the guys we would call alphas don’t hesitate to lie about themselves.

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They’ve been used to describe social hierarchies in certain species. We know from research on animals that these social hierarchies are not always fixed and that their organization can change, even fundamentally. Also, their use in some species has been criticized (e.g. wolves). Further, they don’t map well onto human social hierarchies at all. It’s simplistic and inaccurate to use these terms to describe human social hierarchies. It is not supported by science and we shouldn’t pretend that it is.

This is bro science, not actual science.

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What @anon9798425 said.

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Given that these terms have been in use in the scientific literature for a long time this is actual science being appropriated by bro science. But that being said these are just theoretical models of social hierarchy among males. Of course there are exceptions and not everyone fits perfectly into 1 category or another… The terms were invented because in certain species social hierarchies arise and patterns emerge. Evolution causes species to change over time, so it’s possible that these hierarchies can change along with them.

I mentioned in my initial comment that humans are more complex than other species, we have the capacity for rational thought, so we can make decisions and act in a way outside any instinct or in ways that don’t strictly conform to the hierarchy @Aziz posted above. However that doesn’t mean it is all bullsh*t, it’s more like a work in progress, just like a lot of other science.

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The whole Beta V Alpha thing is BS man. It describes wolves where only the Alpha males get to reproduce with the females and everyone else is seen as underlings. Thats not really how our society works. And for arguments sake, you can’t have two alphas in the same pack. So if anyone says “we’re alpha males” they are clearly mistaken

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This isn’t a work in progress @Headspark. No one is working on this. There’s a wealth of research on mate selection in humans in evolutionary psychology, as well as in social psychology, in biology, and in anthropology. And that evidence does not support a simple distinction like this in any way.

I’m talking about environmental influences radically restructuring animal social hierarchies from one generation to the next, indicating that these types of hierarchies are not necessarily hard-wired even in species where they are present.

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The idea of an alpha wolf in the wild has been more or less debunked and is currently considered old science. As we studied wolves in the wild more we knew that a lot of the research done on wolves in captivity didn’t really transverse over to wolves in the wild.

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Reading through this thread it is obvious people have their minds made up on the subject. Some believe in the social hierarchy, some don’t while others are completely repulsed by the very notion.

I have to go to work shortly so I am just gonna let it be, everyone can believe what they want.

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I know it’s hard to reevaluate your beliefs when you’re presented with facts against them, but we’re not just saying all of this because we’re overcome with negative emotions. That’s not a mature way to dismiss other people’s arguments. And yes, everyone can believe what they want. You’re right. But you don’t believe what you want about science and say “that’s just science, people believe different things”. This is just not true.

Social hierarchies in humans exist, but they don’t work like this.

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I remember in my social psychology class watching a video on the social heirchy of baboons, and it was very interesting how similar they were to humans. Factors like low self esteem and obesity were more prevalent among the baboons lower in the social hierarchy than the ones towards the top. I’ll try to find it of its on youtube but it was very fascinating.

Edit: Here’s a study that was published on social hierarchies of primates and their health gradients. It’s awesome stuff!

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