Apparently I'm not a women because I don't need modern feminism

Because I’m not always offended by being complimented, being raped at a young age didn’t make me hate men, it’s fine that my dad makes more than my mom, she can’t lift a 200 lb box.
Feminazis and their bullsh… have ruined my day.
put on your big girl panties and understand not everything is against you and not everything is going to be equal.
We have too much privilege as a nation. Just take a seat.

I’m ready for the hate and the backlash, I don’t have f… to give.

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I’m with you. But truly modern feminism (okay, maybe post-modern) is no longer about hairy-armpits / chest thumping / rage against the male machine. I was blessed to run smack into the post-modern version about 20 years ago when I sat down with a headset on and the teeny-tiny sheet of lyrics in my mitts to listen to Alanis do her thing with Jagged Little Pill about 19 years ago. Changed the f##k outta my life… though it took quite a while for all the effects to wear in.

(All the smarties on the West Side are still chasing her around. See http://www.esalen.org/workshop/week-august-30-september-4/hurtling-toward-wholeness.)

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Oh don’t make me start about this :smile:

Hello Koari

I believe in equality of all genders, if you can do the job then just do it. I give no more then I receive and ask no more then for both parties to have respect for one another. Your thoughts are ones that I hold in my mind as I watch the difference of women and men both and the way they carry themselves.

Be strong

Powessy

I will just say… you simply cannot hate feminism because it is, and im fully aware of what am I speaking, a reason you are here girl, with your wifi and your ability to write read and confront to men.

But im just a sub with a feminist knowledge. A paradox or a bigot, depends how you take it.

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When I say modern day feminist I’m talking against one group. Key board feminist who don’t have knowledge of what it is.
Feminist who think everyone is out for them and their bodies.
Feminist who think you are with them or against them.
The exact words I heard today was " how can you call yourself a women if you aren’t with the movement."
It pissed me off, but this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this.
This is just my opinion, normally I wouldn’t say anything because I have better things to do than be in a uproar over stupid things.

I don’t hate feminist, I hate people who try to rewrite what it really is.
It’s equality not misandry. Not shaving your pits doesn’t make anyone more of a women.

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I get what you’re saying.
…or a feminists who think that women all across the world should live by the western culture upper class white privileges.

By it’s principles it should be called equalism. It could apply to everyone and it’d probably get a lot more support just through namesake.

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Thank you for understanding.
I may not know everything about feminism but I know it stands for equality for all.
Don’t get me started on people not understanding religion and culture that infuriates me.

You are absolutely right! Eqaulism sounds 100 times better. The name it self seems to exclude.

I spent two decades living in a desert town in California full of LBGTs after having grown up in Hollywood (which is next door to West Hollywood; you can look it up). I was compelled to navigate my way through the mine fields of understandable, but nevertheless hotly reactive, polarized anti-heterosexualism and diverse versions of “feminism” there.

I brought up Alanis (above) because she was the first voice I’d heard that saw through the unnecessary delusions of “all-good” and “all-bad” (and “all right” vs. “all wrong”) stereotyping among those who’d been used by narcissistic men before they were hip enough to understand their common cultural co-dependence and approval seeking (pretty much as @Sarad has described it today in another thread). (And, yes, I know I’m chucking out a lot of concepts like a machine gun here.)

Alanis has since demonstrated repeatedly that love is being with what is (and not what is not) in relationship and that we’re all better served by seeing the entire range of possibilities in human interactions, not just the stuff we focus upon to the exclusion of all the rest.

I don’t think we can even use the word “feminist” anymore in any meaningfully accurate way. Just like we can’t use the words “■■■” or “d#ke” or “straight” in any meaningfully accurate way. Because the words mean what they mean to the state of mind that hears them in the specific moment and context of that moment.

Okay; off my soapbox.

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Ive changed views on this a lot. I believe in modern day free choice of “work and family” or “work or family”.
There probably are some men, who are quite probably also capapble of getting power, that like to demeane women. I do believe however that they are few and could be considered deviant. Its not all men, thats just ridicoulus.

As a man I was offended by feminists early on, but now I take a more relaxed viewpoint, namely that people should have freedom to live in whatever way they like. Career woman or stay at home mom, it just isnt a conspicary from all men.

Two sides of a coin.

Let me tell you why we still need feminism no matter how you think it should be called.
Woman rights in the societies that ARE NOT western. One example: genital circumcision. Oh yes it exists. Another one: child marriage.

Media’s representation of female bodies. Objectification of women in all societies.

Google the salary of the men vs women around the world.

Google the number of important positions lead by men vs. women.

it cannot be just coincidence

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Oh and another common one.
Double standards.
Anyone ever heard for a man ■■■■? Of course you didn’t because no matter how many chicks he ■■■■■■ he’ll be a badass. Unlike the other side…

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I totally agree with you @Sarad - we still need feminism, no matter the name.

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Yeah this is pretty much my problem with the world… don’t mind a holy anger :slight_smile:

Bingo on that. You could live in Alaska, Montana, Utah, Mississippi, Alabama or Texas.

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Most women are now forced into low paying retail jobs. Feminism helped a few ladder-climbing career women, but ultimately destroyed the ‘white picket fence’ dream for most women.

It’s been a total disaster…imo.

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and @Sarad

I agree, of course. Just trying to point out that waging war is rarely useful… unless you plan to enslave or wipe the other side out altogether.

Oooo. Imagine: Men in concentration camps being forced to e########e into cups while watching the guards writhe about so that the survival of the species is assured (every thousandth male being allowed to live in the pen for that purpose only). Good sci fi stuff, I think.