There are lots of different programs with lots of different techniques. Some are effective, and others aren’t. I suggest you research the programs in your area and find out what methods they use before you condemn them as ineffective.
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Super fair, @Ninjastar,
I’ll look into it.
I guess this is an old problem they’re tying to catch up to and it just has some hiccups.
Just wish our children didn’t have to be some school board’s guinea pigs.
Although, we need a solution, and failure is part of progress…
Teachers are getting hurt separating students as are the students fighting. so ignoring the problem wont make it go away. It only makes it more dangerous.
Anti bullying programs need to include staff listening to kids being bullied. Once the bully is identified, their needs to be a class for that person(s). It needs really to be a personal counselling session more than a class. Bullies do what they do for power.
They want want power over the person and to send a message of power to those that witness. They need to see for themselves why are they are being sadistic and overly aggressive. Then learn what to do about it.
This would not only stop it, it would prevent future problems. This is something school counsellor should specialize in.
But that is never what happens. All that ever happens is regular and in-school-suspension (forboth)!That means the kids just sits in a different class room with other kids in trouble were the adults are less than pleasant. And nothing more.
Other problems are now that both students are punished by being written a ticket for assult. This is in addition to the schools’ punishment. It does not matter who threw the first punch either.
The programs are ok, but they need to make more changes.
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i should also add-
no i do not blame teachers (or all of them, anyway)
Sometimes i think the teachers are discouraged from reporting or sending kids to the office at all. This is something we also needed to acknowlege. This slipped out from one of my teachers once.
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Wow.
That’s disturbing.
They just don’t want the trouble up at the office,
Or don’t want to have to address the problem?
Either way, that is bad news.
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If a teacher sends kids to the office too often, they are viewed as having no control over their students and incapable of handling problems on their own.
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So sending the kid to the office reflects poorly on the teachers?
I guess I can see that,
But its definitely not helping the situation if the teachers can’t have proper support.
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i was bullied in school from elementary, middle and high school. but it was nothing i did. it was just where i lived. i lived in a trailer and that was something that no one could accept. they also made fun of my weight and the fact that i never got new school clothes. my parents just couldn’t afford it. my parents were frequently out of work.
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What would have helped you?
Because I feel like a lot of kids have a similar case to you.
Is there anything that the school could have done to make things better but didn’t?
the school actually taking action against the students who bullied me would have helped. the bullies were mostly jocks from the foot ball or wrestling team and they were the athletes and the only contribution i did to the school was speech and debate team ironically one of my speeches was on bullycide suicide by those that are bullied. i did try to kill myself once while in high school my sophmore year of high school i took a bunch of pills and my mom found me and rushed me to the hospital spent about a week under suicide watch in a mental hospital.
I guess the schools don’t know how to take action.
They could punish these jocks, but then they wouldn’t be able to play their respective sports,
Soon as they start missing games these kids parents (who are probably also bullies) are going to be in the school office raising hell.
Its just easier to brush it under that table.
Like @Ninjastar was saying, the teachers are discouraged from sending cases up the ladder.
You can’t force people to be nice to each other,
So all we can do is teach better coping skills, I guess.
That is certainly what i got from it. It seems that teachers who send kids to the office frequently are looked at as not being able to control their classroom.
It is discouraging. Managing disapline problems can take a lot of time meeting with students and parents i guess.
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oh. sorry i just basicaaly duplicated your post. yes, ditto
Will read further more
well, thread slowed
moral of thread:
live&let live?and why is this simple concept so complicated?
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I personally think that students who are bullies should be suspended from school, especially repeat offenders. Ultimately, the parents need to address the problem, not the teachers. This also sends a strong message that bullying will not be tolerated.
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As someone who’s suffered a life time of issues due to bullying my view is that not enough is still being done to combat it. Schools need to step up to the plate. Those who are being or have been bullied deserve better and bullies need to be called to account.
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I get the impression some here are all to willing to condone/excuse/trivialise bullying which is both disturbing and upsetting. While such anti social attitudes remain bullying will stay a major problem.
I’m not trying to condone bullying.
Its a serious problem that has effected many people on this thread.
What I want is a sustainable solution, not a two hour program every month that takes our kids out of school and basically just tells them not to be jerks.
And, also, I would say that being picked on is part of life, people don’t get nicer after middle school, so yeah, maybe kids should toughen up.
The real monster is social media. These kids just can’t unplug so they’re constantly bombarded by negativity instead of being able to seek refuge in their rooms like we did.
What do you think would have helped you in school?
This isn’t true, from a neurological perspective. Kids don’t develop a sense of empathy until later on. My mom used to say middle school is where they put kids until they learn how to be decent human beings again.
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Yeah.
I see that.
Maybe empathy develops later and that helps us become more human than our middle school selves.
But also the social norms change.
On a school yard you can just spew insults or push someone for no reason,
As adults that behavior is different, but that need for dominance continues.
You see it more as snide comments or passive aggressive memos.
Its possible people do change, I just haven’t seen a lot of evidence of that in my life.
I think if you learn to cope with some pimply eighth grader getting in your face,
You’ll deal better with some snarky jackass in a suit asking why you failed to finish your post graduate program.