We have " Thought Disorder " and " Cognitive Dysfunction ". What do you think?

We have " Thought Disorder " and " Cognitive Dysfunction ". What do you think ?

Thought disorder (TD) or formal thought disorder (FTD) refers to disorganized thinking as evidenced by disorganized speech. Specific thought disorders include derailment, poverty of speech, tangentiality, illogicality, perseveration, neologism, and thought blocking.

Psychiatrists consider formal thought disorder as being one of two types of disordered thinking, with the other type being delusions. The latter involves “content” while the former involves “form”. Although the term “thought disorder” can refer to either type, in common parlance it refers most often to a disorder of thought “form” also known as formal thought disorder.

Eugen Bleuler, who named schizophrenia, held that thought disorder was its defining characteristic. However, formal thought disorder is not unique to schizophrenia or psychosis. It is often a symptom of mania, and less often it can be present in other mental disorders such as depression. Clanging or echolalia may be present in Tourette syndrome. Patients with a clouded consciousness, like that found in delirium, also have a formal thought disorder.

However, there is a clinical difference between these two groups. Those with schizophrenia or psychosis are less likely to demonstrate awareness or concern about the disordered thinking. Clayton and Winokur have suggested that this results from a fundamental inability to use the same type of Aristotelian logic as others. On the other hand, patients with a clouded consciousness, referred to as “organic” patients, usually do demonstrate awareness and concern, and complain about being “confused” or “unable to think straight”; Clayton and Winokur suggest that this is because their thought disorder results, instead, from various cognitive deficits.

https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/cogdys_manual/CogDysHndbk.htm

Cognitive dysfunction in mental illness

Mental illness affects many people, but what most do not realize is that it does not just cause emotional problems – it causes cognitive problems too. The person with mental illness may find it difficult to think clearly, pay attention and remember. For some, the cognitive problems are only evident during the episodes of illness. For others, the cognitive problems are more persistent. If mental illness is managed well, the person can lead a more productive life and have longer periods of stability. To better manage an illness it is important to understand the many ways it affects functioning. When people know what the cognitive symptoms of mental illness are, they can better manage the illness and function better.

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We have " Thought Disorder " and " Cognitive Dysfunction ". What do you think ?

What do you do for

[1]. Thought disorder

and

[2]. Cognitive Dysfunction ???

It’s clear I’ve both Thought disorder and Cognitive Dysfunction. It’s like both of them are a common thing to occur for Paranoid type Schizophrenia, at least in my case, it’s true.

This is what actually and exactly happens, but not all the above were recognized by me… I realized all the above things, mentioned in the previous posts were my very own symptoms that have manifested in me by birth…

You’re not a loser, Sagar

Relatively speaking Loser = Winner or Winner = Loser, it’s like change of views make you a loser and or winner ( and —> both )

Absolutely my Brain is not in my control or my life or at least that’s what seems to be soooo true…

Masturbation, all the thoughts that are unethical is an example of thought disorder and cognitive dysfunction, in other words " I’m a loser ". Relatively, no I’m not !?

Hey way don’t lose hope…!!! I also have severe Cognitive Dysfunction…!!! that’s why i can’t study…!!!

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I agree with you. I’m okay but not successful. My health is okay. The order from nootropicsdepot came and it’s working wonderfully but I was told not to post any stuff here so not posting.

Thanks.

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I already posted last month that I ordered

and read the reviews you will know. I’m not allowed to post anything here.

Last month I already posted that I’m waiting for it.

In near about 5 to 6 years i hope effective drugs would come to the market that’s for sure…!!!
I live in hope…!!!

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https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/cogdys_manual/CogDysHndbk.htm

The article/piece at this link (originally posted) really explains why people with SZ usually will require assistance like disability income. In most cases, the ability to “hold a job” becomes improbable or minimal. The more disorganized due to lack of basic cognitive functioning, the more the patient may not be able to perform simple tasks, let alone simple tasks of a job. It’s something neurotypicals will see and won’t understand as the illness can happen to people with high I.Q. also.

A quote from the link:

“People seem to be speaking rapidly and you become unclear about what they said or what they want.”

This happened to me (early 20s). Suddenly, people seemed to verbally communicate too fast for me. Started to evolve and it felt the world and its people were moving at a speed I couldn’t catch up to and, thus, I wasn’t part of reality.

Another quote:

"The ability to process and respond to information

Family may notice that response times are slower or that it takes longer to register and understand information. Speech production can also seem slower and even though it may only be half a minute, that can seem like a long time to wait for a communication when you are trying to have a conversation with someone."

Slower verbal response time. Most definitely I relate to this as well. I notice the current doctor/psychiatrist I see sometimes will look at the clock while I’m speaking (as if sort of timing me how long it takes to verbally respond or formulate actual verbal words/sentences/thoughts). Poverty of thought/speech. Alogia.

When you operate slower, you also have trouble staying connected with reality because reality constantly appears to move at a speed you’re not a part of.

From a “mental speed” standpoint, Schizophrenia can be like slow motion while Bi-Polar is on the opposite end of the Schizoaffective spectrum, representing what could be called “racing thoughts” or so fast that it doesn’t seem normal.

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cognitive research, or brain study, I don’t want it.

More importantly emotions, emotional intelligence, living open and honest.

This particular article isn’t really deep research. It’s trying to explain in clear terms what mental illness like Schizophrenia is.

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I did a search of the forum to try to come up with what I have experienced since childhood and I think this is the topic that explains it.
especially this phrase
"The ability to process and respond to information"
In fact this is totally what I have been so frustrated with in certain social settings since at least 1st grade
It goes like this: the teacher would be talking and I would think of the answer and there would be a pause for someone to answer and I would feel the words and even see them but couldn’t get them out in time and then the moment would pass and I would feel bad as if I did something wrong because I missed the opportunity
This happens in regular daily interactions with me too.
There in front of me are the right words I should say but they are stuck for some half second or so and then the moment is passed and the other person is glaring at me and I am too stuck to say anything.

I have circumstantial and occasionally tangential thought/speech. I also have a ■■■■■■■ TON of thought blocking, even when I’m not psychotic.

I just love it when the thought blocking thing comes up while talking on the telephone or at the McDonald’s drive thru. The exhale of the impatient is kinda how I interpret it. I think thought disorder describes the situation well and sometimes I’m conscious of it happening but I try to wing it and hopefully finish the thought. If I think to myself “hmm! I’m thought blocking" then I lose what I wanted to say anyways so you really can’t win no matter what you do. :sunglasses:

I have poverty of speech, it is a constant issue for me, not “oh that one time”. Some of you guys have nothing to complain about. This is what i live, this is my constant.

Just because we have a brain disease doesn’t mean people will be nicer to us or it will fix us so that we can live normally.

The cognitive symptoms have been the biggest blow to my ego almost humbling me. I had an IQ test in 4th grade and did well. I then went into the mentally gifted program through grade school and went to a mentally gifted high school that was pretty prestigious. Intelligence became a cornerstone of my pride.

Now it’s hard to follow a recipe or comprehend more complex things that before I would have understood inside and out. My memory is also effected which makes learning new things difficult. For me this is the most frustrating symptom of sz and the hardest obstacle to working. :sunny:

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I’m getting that symptom a lot too, where it gets harder and harder to think and focus and do things. It’s what I imagine dementia is like.

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