The Holocaust started with killing the mentally ill

I saw a documentary about this. The nazis called the life of mentally ill for" dasein ohne leben" or in english “a life without meaning”, and thus killed them to save money. They even teached children in math about how a mentally ill cost soceity 10 times more than a normal person. They were actually gassed without the knowledge of their families. Horrible.

I get it, thanks for the clarification Csummersx :smiley:

Ultimately if they had stopped any mentally ill from existing then there would have been no need for psychiatrists. If there was no need for psychiatrists then some of them in turn would have joined the ranks of ‘useless eaters’

I’ve been underwhelmed by many psychiatrists.

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According to my paranoid way of thinking, extermination of the weak and the unacceptable is possible in this country soon enough. Times change pretty quickly.
When I was first hospitalized, they gave me Thorazine which, in hindsight, was a form of torture. I became contorted—my muscles seized up. It was in experimental stages at that time. I wasn’t eating at the time. They tube fed me.
I have made my peace with anti-psychotic medication. I see it as a necessary evil.

I have visited Dachau, the nazi concentration camp back in 1989. Spent the entire day walking around it, have never been the same since. Hitler really was the devil, and all those who had their hand in it.

The Huffington Post mentioned today Mein Kampf is the #1 ebook in the UK. Disgusting. :frowning:

That is disgusting. Thank you for posting it.

sometimes they say a great writer, lke knut hansen, a great philosopher, like hannah ardent, martin heidegger, or a great pop star, like michael jackson, isn’t really great anymore, cause they are a nazi, or a nazi sympathiser, or a child abuser (alleged), respectively, well, that makes no sense to me. the moonwalk is still the same quality of presentation style, the book “growth of the soil” is amazing lierature, and those philosophers weren’t evil they had complex nuanced points, saw the hanah ardent movie recently, she tries to make a complex point, and everybody just goes “ooooo, she said nazi!”, so silly, they are “throwing the baby out with the bath water”, what, the guy makes a mistaken decision and kills a few million people, and all of a sudden this man’s ideas and visions are no longer worth anything?

in america it’s like that, can’t read good stuff it the guy did something in his life we don’t condone.
some kind of political stance i guess. seems way too silly for me.
good thing the british people are actually free.

we are an army 1% 0f the population of this earth, maybe even a quarter if you count all the others, almost everybody on the planet is affected by some kind of mental illness in some way or another, it was even suggested that hitler himself was meantally ill at one point and that he had a cousin with sz but that could all be propaganda,

all i am saying is that we are the minority but together we can be strong thats why places like this forum are so valuable because it brings us together to help each other and i think we help each other a lot more than any psychiatrist can even if we are all mentally ill,

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Daydreamer great post there:)

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“it was even suggested that hitler himself was meantally ill at one point”
It was a war traumatization after a gas attack in world war I. During the time the world had to suffer so much from him he was shockingly normal from the medical point of view.

you are correct though, if we were so easy to call him mentally ill for his genocide then that would add more stigma on to us lol, so lets just call him a ruthless dictator and be done with it :wink:

I read somewhere that it was thought that Hitler had schizophrenia and bipolar - I think it was in a special edition in Time magazine. I really got offended by that ■■■■■■■■ article. I mean if you are going to label the demon, lets label him Evil. He probably suffered from a severe form of Antisocial personality disorder and was just plain evil. I did not appreciate the content of that article. Lets leave schizophrenia out of the equation - we get a bad reputation from the media and general public as it is.

http://abnormalpsych.wikispaces.com/psychotic suggests Hitler had paranoid schizophrenia.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~kld22/index240srep.html suggests Hitler was schizoaffective bipolar type.

http://hitlershealth.greyfalcon.us/ mentions borderline personality,brief reactive psychosis in a narcissistic personality,schizoaffective.

Yes, it was anyone who was not fit for the Aryan ideals. This includes people who had physical and mental disabilities. The T4 program (named after the building were the idea was proposed).

I also agree that Hitler did suffer some form of mental illness.

The TV documentations in Germany from the non-private channels are always produced according to latest historical research and a few years ago they said he didn’t suffer from severe mental illness (with the exception of that breakdown in WW1). Gaining and holding power as a dictator is no easy task, and I don’t think a severely impaired person could be able to do that. Ivan the terrible and the first emperor of China behaved in a mad way, but for both consume of mercury is proven. For Caligula there are speculations about chronic intoxication because the symptoms don’t fit so well to a psychiatric condition.

     We're a particularly violent species. There are not too many species in Nature that regularly kill their own!

Dear Caroline,

    Yes, I'm getting to this thread at last and have some thoughts after reading here.

    First, I understand that in the ER currently a doctor often cannot tell the difference between a paranoid schizophrenic and a speed freak except by taking a history,  Clearly, Hitler and others in his Reich were speed freaks.

    Personally, I would wonder why so many people in Britain want to read Hitler's writings?  Just because one reads it does not automatically suggest approval.  For example, I profess Jesus and say He is who I would most like to be like, but once in a bookstore I picked up a Satanic Bible and read with some interest for a half hour.  

  And where was the Catholic Church concerning Hitler?

   Did you know IBM got a send off into financial success by working with Nazi Germany on all the data the wanted to acquire on Jewish ancestries?

  We do know, people criticize schizophrenics for noncompliance with medication and treatment, but some of my heroes are the few Germans who would not comply with Nazism, often at the price of their own lives.

  When I was a teen and reacted in horror to the stories of the concentration camps, I asked a wise person how could people do such a thing?  She took my inquiry seriously and thought for awhile and said, "Lust, Anger, Greed . . .," and I was satisfied that human beings could behave so badly; as a young person, I knew first hand how driven I was by such forces in my own Nature.

    Jesus came that "none might be lost" and I try to fathom the scope of His mission that beasts such as Hitler and his own may eventually come to be humanized.  I mean, through successive incarnations we are all evolving, I believe.  Sometimes people take a step back, and that is "evil," or as it is written live spelled backwards.  It is not like I have never had anything the least evil in my past!  And it is the evil amongst us who can eventually know the reach of God's redeeming love in way that that more average of us will never fathom. 

Jayster

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The impression I got from the movie “The Nuremberg Trials” was that Hitler was a low class citizen among the socially elite. He was in essence, that elite’s perspective on poverty. So his mere presence was bipolor… politically. His status was a bipolar elite status. He was in essence “bringing his country to a brazen reality”. And it was all based on rhetoric. He never knew how to fix things. He only knew he was different. And he hated the high class company he was with. It was quite literally the opposite of slime… this… too good to be true type.

Decency and civility are often left in the dark as to how to fix things… They kind of over-shelter themselves. And quite literally don’t know what they see. So they recruit an underling… a political accolade. To represent them… A necessary man, who they hate, and who hates them.

But Germany sold its Justice for rhetoric. Sold its soul… to save itself. It backed up a lunatic to be inspired again. Because the world was a lunatic…

Also one must remember too that this was the time of Eugenics. There was less of a faith in determinism and more of a faith in genetics. People couldn’t find the psychological solutions, so they turned to racial purity. If you think the psychological profession is lacking now, it was lacking very much the more back then. And, like Hitler, hidden the plain sight of the forbidden topic, was the answer.

I don’t know though. I have to watch a movie several times before I understand it. The judge in the movie said to the judge he had convicted that his country started mass killing the minute he sentenced a man to death he knew was innocent. That was the momentum… “Be right. Because the dead can’t defend themselves.”

Everything a country is, a country stands for, is in its judges. If they are corrupt? The country is corrupt. And it doesn’t matter how successful you are, or how far the rhetoric takes you. Its corruption. The relationship… Success is value neutral.

I think by sticking a MI diagnosis to this very evil and corrupt man takes away the focus on the truth behind the very scary and sad reality of the times back then. Throwing terms like bipolar or schizophrenia at a subhuman is really an easy way out for many people. Thinking there must have been something wrong with his mind/brain officially -maybe justifies his evil actions they are thinking. Evil is just that Evil - no need to define it in such a simplistic and ignorant way.
As a society we like to package things into neat and tidy boxes. No need for lame excuses and lies.
Schizophrenics are not sociopaths - when will the world realize this.

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