Doesn’t sound depressed when you talk about it.
I mean facts are facts. I presented them.
In the last 15 years the railroad was pulled out of the community. Now the government wants to shut down the coal mine and our coal-fired power plant. We’ve lost about 1000 people over this time. We’ve gone from three separate schools (K-3, 4-7, 8-2) to one K-12 school. Housing prices are down. There are empty spots on main street.
I could piss and moan about it or I can try and do what I can to make my community better. Beats sitting around all day picking apart others on Web forums.
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I think I made you mad pixel. I’ll stop.
Thank you for your community involvement, pixel.
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I’m not mad, I’d just like to point out to other SZs that the barriers to employment and success aren’t as huge as they may think. You don’t NEED to have a college degree. Hell, you don’t NEED to be able to attend college (I can’t – day after day in lecture hall with 100+ people would make me relapse).
- Set a goal.
- Make plans.
- Make contacts.
- Work on your plans every day.
- Adjust goals as necessary.
- Eventually a combination of hard work and solid networking will get you somewhere better.
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Good because I am saying that is not likely to be as splended as you say. But more likely to be as I say. Your personal experience is not the center of the world. What I present is a much larger population size than just some group of friends.
Sure I may pick you apart, but isn’t that what you do in AA? Call eachother out on their bs? Like when you “irritate liberals”?
I don’t hate you Pixel. I just don’t think your right and I’m pretty sure I’m right.
Not in the 25 years I’ve been attending. Maybe this is something that happens on TV shows?
Not doing so would defeat the purpose of having a Facebook account! 
I want to be a plumber now haha. As for my friend @Montezuma, I had a friend who was a welder and he used to make bank before he got into a cocaine habit. I think you’re thinking in the right mind when you look at a trade school. Those jobs are always in demand. Mechanic, welder, etc.
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Well my counselor is a self identified AA member and sometimes he tells me stories. Also things I read around on the web about AA groups in my area use the exact words I mentioned.
Also, so it’s okay for you to pick apart people but not me?
I’m done talking about this. This is stupid
AA members aren’t supposed to share what happens at AA meetings outside of AA meetings. That “anonymity” thang is kinda central to the whole program working well!
I would rather pick apart arguments than people. I do admit to being human and failing at that occasionally. Half the fun of being Canadian is having a heated argument with someone, shaking hands, and then poking at each other some more over Timmies.
from observing this little debate,
it seems we have one mindset that is defeatist and the other is opportunist. always interesting to observe how others think.
for me I think its the way i grew up. i was to never complain. and if i didnt like something i was to do something about it.
if we all just ho hummed and complained about our situation we wouldnt get anywhere.
A dusty turtle goes back to his cave. 
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Believe what you want to believe
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I’m done talking. Why are you still responding?
I’ve been trying to make a case to @SzAdmin for a separate HF section here because it’s really difficult to have optimistic conversations in this forum without them getting derailed by negativity. REALLY appreciate your helping me out with this. Thanks so much!
Well, I think @Montezuma has gotten plenty of input, and this has been derailed into an argument.
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